|0.00|> Thank you for the pause. We're back on the record.<|19.00|><|19.00|> If we could have John come up here by the table, we've got this mic working.<|23.00|><|23.00|> Thank you, John.<|25.00|><|25.00|> I'll just have to ignore all of you, I won't be able to speak.<|29.00|><|29.00|> Well, of course, I delivered the books to Carson City, and George wasn't there. Mary was there, and Mark, I believe, and one other person I didn't order any books and some got it that worse but they shortly thereafter they knew what third books I brought and they said that they weren't going to accept it and I said well you've got to be kidding and Mary says no I'm not kidding and then Mark got the idea of calling an attorney or their attorney and so in front of me or in the next office while he called him and the attorney told him that there were some of the books that he could accept but he couldn't split it up or at that time I was to go, they were thinking about it, so I called him back, I stayed in a bar communicating in a pay phone and it was determined that he was going to split the shipment up, that I was to go deliver them to the courthouse.

So I did. I stayed in a hotel that night and then early in the morning left for the courthouse. We got there about 3. It was bad weather. Okay, it was told to us that when you... I didn't even know the Jew who brought the books but whoever brought the books they didn't know what to do with them because George wasn't there and so the driver said that he was going to go for lunch and come back after lunch and the driver never came back after lunch. which I couldn't find and I ended up in a place called Cheers Bar. And it had been determined that they absolutely would not accept the book. They didn't know for sure what to do with it, since we were there. No, he called the... They didn't know what to do with it because George wasn't there, so we didn't say anything. No, called the attorney and the attorney told them that there were some of the books that he could accept and I told him that I the way I packed the truck they were all you know separated. This is Scott Tibbs now giving me advice. Well I'm talking about when I packed the truck they were all mixed up because I packed it like a cube so I could put tarps over it you know the weather was bad I felt I'd been chosen to do that because I had a four-wheel drive truck and so they were all mixed up but I you know to separate them we would have had to take them all off the truck and I needed before I could do that why I needed the person that gave me this book to tell me it was okay to do that and it wasn't okay to do that so I never went back that's true before I left I asked him to have my manifest back and Mark held it back behind his back and told me that you know he was working from another list that he made up on his own after talking to the attorney because there was some problem in the manifest as far as identifying from a slight problem they weren't the complete titles weren't down there so I could imagine he maybe wanted to keep that, too.

I don't know what he had in mind, but anyway, he wouldn't give it back to me. I later got to manifest my facts. So I was really there. Oh, I know. Thank you for sharing your story. Now, I have to say, please, I have to say, because this also, remember the reason that this was being done. There was a letter, USNP, and I don't, I'm not going to divulge who all in cahoots with what, had the book records. And they had been told that Tatsby Distributing was just simply another part of E.J. and Doris's operation.

But they got that botched too and they thought, half of them, that part of America West just left and this was America West with a different name. So they got their own stories pretty well messed up. There were not four books that could have been left, frankly. You may be wishing to dream that and George is giving that information and he's sending was even signed by the judge stating, Dear George, in answer to your request for information or whatever, George was evading, not just avoiding. He would tell them that that was not his name. It took them weeks to be able to track him down, to cause him to have to take the service. And finally, the attorney told him to even consider reclamation of any damages until he will serve the papers and this could be handled properly. So at that and said, well, there may be only four books that are really being held.

There may be something that can be worked out with the other ones. Well, we already knew that by a simple disclaimer on a couple of them and a few other minor, handle on the cover pages. That it could be rectified, probably. George seems to be the only one who was in touch with the president of the University of Science and Philosophy, as it turns out, because he's also telling everyone that he and Binder are friends and Binder's on the board of directors and therefore it's all right well I'm telling you that a committee member of the three hundred also sits on that board and they had set aside two hundred and fifteen million dollars. To win this case so it didn't sound like that there was going to be a lot of.

Let's get along well. When at the end of the letter from the attorneys it said no matter what is done with the books the contempt of court charges stand and will be pursued. And it was at this point because Rick had been followed, these ones had been followed in high speed chase to Bakersfield. And it's hard to tell whether the SWAT team is after you, it's hard to tell anymore who's after you. So the contempt of court charges still stands. That is not settled. And Mr. Tips, you know, this is a good old friendship bit, is getting a bit old. Well, now he's upset because he listened to George and he wrote a stipulation asking for release of these books. And the court does have discretion if all parties are agreed to release the property. Well the only problem was that two of the parties were not even notified. One is Mr. Martin of Tachapy Distributing who owns the book and their own attorney who had so many calls from Mr. Green on the day that this broke that he had to call Mr. Tips and threaten legal procedures if Mr. Green didn't stay off the telephone. Maybe Rick, tell us, for the room, what happened from your side. John has made a statement and maybe it would help to realize why you decided to do it, etc.

Lean forward. In fact, you may as well bring it right up current because you not having an attorney and not having the benefit of one can still call their attorney. harmony. When I spoke to John and it was clear there was some difficulty with delivering the book. I had many conflicting thoughts running through my mind. It was unfortunate that George was not there. However Scott tips was the one making the call as to what could be accepted or not accepted. I had heard this about the four books before and I knew that it was not accurate. I knew that dividing the books were not accepted was to just have John dump them. But that was just a thought that just ran through my mind. Well, just dump them and come back to Tashkent and your job is done.

But that was not a reasonable approach to the entire matter because there was this court case involved. So after some thought on the matter, there were calls back and forth while John was waiting in this bar. The only reasonable approach, well let me back up just a tad, Timothy Buchanan had told told me that what his clients wanted to see happen was that the books be destroyed preferably by fire or dumping in a public dump and I told him that was not acceptable. The only other reasonable course of action at that point was to put them in the hands of the court and let the court decide. In my own mind, I had to be distributing and return the books to George. When America West did not accept the delivery of the book, based on the advice of their attorney, everything changed. At that point, to have to be distributing, put them into the hands of the court.

It was a court to make a legal determination as to what should happen to them and to who they should be returned to. I've had another, there were many calls back and forth obviously. John left, spent the night and went down to the court. There were many calls, heated calls between Phipps and Timothy Buchanan over the status of these books and whether the court would accept or not accept. The judge's clerk was involved in this discussion back and forth. And in the end, the court accepted all of the books and signed for them. who was signed by the clerk to the actual judge involved. I have received many, many calls from Canada and all over the United States from people saying that George has told them that the court no longer wants these books and that they are releasing them into his care.

wrote a letter to Scott Tips a number of days ago asking for a cease and desist request be formally and legally made to George Green on behalf of Tax Distributing that he stop these false statements to the public. I have also sent a statement to Timothy Buchanan and to Scott Tips stating that I do not, I as president of Dashby Distributing, do not give my permission for the books to be released either to America West publishers, America West distributors, or the University of Philosophy. And that has put it at a stalemate. And that's basically where we stand. Now, why did you determine this ending up in the first place? I was just going to ask.

The letter that the commander was referring to from the University of Science and Philosophy to be had this letter has been faxed to me that stated that Timothy Buchanan was writing to Scott Tipp saying that to have to be distributing and Rick Martin are merely an offshoot of Doris and EJ Ecker and Doris and EJ Ecker are in contempt and these charges will be And that then involved for the first time, Jad Shpey Distributing and Rick Martin. What did Grant tell you that day about the letter? I didn't want to bring him up, but Grant did phone me and warn me that I was being set up and that I was to watch my back side.

And he in fact was the one who passed the letter from Buchanan, which was a private letter from one attorney to another attorney. And based on that I just said, B.S. I've had enough. I'm returning the books to George Green. They're his problem. But when he did not accept them, then it was clear in my mind that there was a much larger issue and will continue to be a much larger issue and it's ongoing it will be a very I feel a very important case to reduce the books. That's what I was looking to clarify.

But his legal, he was not, no. To the best of my knowledge. He may have been. I don't know. May I offer an observation as well? You know, originally there was some, this whole question, originally the books were given to have to be distributed to Tehachapi Distributing because there was the foreknowledge that they would be under court order not to sell them. Later, George sent Tehachapi Distributing a bill for the book. Three months later, George sent Tehachapi Distributing a bill for the book for $86,000. Right. It is totally appropriate since tax fee distributing understood that that was a gift. When being faced with that bill, another totally appropriate motivation for returning those books is that discrepancy and the fact that it was tax fee distributing's understanding that it was a gift.

If it is now to be paid for, I'm returning your property. So if there's no acceptable reason that I can see for them not accepting their property for which they were trying to build another business which was a good question and I have the story was that that George had not said he would not accept the books. And that's when I just, because that's what he stated, and I wanted, I'm not for truth, all the way, and I don't, I'm not stopping for anything, but. Well, I mean, it was George's legal counsel. I'd like to tell you that Mary suggested to me that I take the books and burn them, because I told her I was worried about leaving them on the truck because of the rain and snow. And I asked her, well, would it be possible to leave them here overnight if I have to take them back? And she said, no, I don't care what you do with the books, you can take them and put them in a ditch or a dump and burn them. And then she also suggested courthouse. But they were, I want to put emphasis on the fact that they were totally refused, 100%, making sure it wasn't there. They were refused when I left, before I left.

And I have never acknowledged the validity of the bills that I received from America. In my mind, they are null and void. You have to understand, he continued to accept money for these volumes that were banned, that were absolutely, he was not to touch them. He was still collecting credit cards and you can bet the adversary was buying them and they know it. It went right through, there were over $12,000 just in credit card orders against those books that he owed to Hatch Pitts Tributing. Another point that I'd like to make is that the books were from America West. They were not personally from George Green. They were from America West and representatives of America West refused the books. So sometimes it gets to be a personal issue, but legally the business that they were meant to go to did refuse them.

Well I think Leon was saying that America West was expecting John to come back after lunch or did you leave with the idea that they actually completely refused? Yeah, I was talking with the attorney involved too during this whole negotiation and his position remained unchanged. The idea of going to lunch, more than anything, was a way to get out of their office to talk to her. You know, they had already talked to their attorney. You didn't tell them you were coming back after lunch? Well, yeah. I didn't eat lunch, by the way. But he had a good dinner later. Yeah, I was sitting in a bar called Cheers, and they were doing me, you know, you know how they do when you order coffee and you don't drink and get a ticket, make you feel guilty? I guess a couple of hours. The idea was to resolve it through the attorneys, was my impression.

And once it was resolved, there was a chance I could deliver and this is what I went up there for. And so I waited. Had he accepted those books, he would have been absolutely in contempt of court, because the injunction said they were to deliver all copies of all nine of those volumes in possession to the court months before. So we can argue all we want about whether they refused them or did not refuse them. Had he accepted them, he would have been massively in contempt of court because those books in his possession should have been turned over to the court. And the court was very glad to get their hands on them.

Well, Commander, just out of curiosity, does anybody know which books they did, would have received, the ones that were strictly banned or what? Do you know what I'm saying? Yes, there are nine books and yes, they're listed. They're listed on the injunction as the ones that, in varying stages of question. If George had accepted $8,000-$6,000 from the post, would that have been a good deal? Yes. Well, sure it would. Well, then sending the bill would have been a good deal. But you see what he did was work out a deal. In fact, the second letter demanding the money and saying, gives his own self away. He already had work to deal with the University of Science and Philosophy and told them that he was out this much money. So he had work to deal with them to remove funds from the institute, this is criminal in itself.

board member himself he could be out for criminal charges just for doing what he's doing and this is not godly intent. You know put all the other issues aside when you're doing away now is obviously criminal. He says he's not on board. You can't send a letter. We're sorry. OK I'm just. I know, I understand. But this is something that everybody needs to look at, what he's doing. Why would he be doing this, except for his perceived revenge or whatever trip he's on. There is no godly intent for him to do what he's doing. He could have got the Institute to pull, got up to the legal bind.

We never may have found out about the gold that he's taking. He walks away with a million dollars. Clear, grand, clear, and everybody here is hung up for life. The way I look at it, man, the only person, you have to look who's making money out of the whole deal. The whole time, the only person here that made any money is George Green. The liberator was losing money when he was running it. When he got taken over here, it started breaking even. Paying people, we had all volunteers before. Rick was making money on the books for a while until we had all the problems. But George was losing money.

How does it work out? Well, the commander always stated that he was always losing money. I assumed that he was losing money. We all did. I'm pissed off at George Staff. He can't go along and let us try to find the truth ourselves. Well, and he's lost money. If you want to consider the books, if you don't go sell something. But you see, the important thing is he didn't lose as much as it would appear because of the agreement. He was going to continue to help here.

They were going to leave office furniture. Everybody sat in those meetings. He was going to leave furniture. He was going to do this. He was going to do that. And they stripped the place for all practical purposes. And it meant that one had to go to used bookstores and once again funds that really would not have been used that way had to be used. It has not been pleasant and then he said that he would send funds to help. a problem when it came to getting the money that had been sent in as subscription payments transferred. That was finally done. I don't know if there was a full accounting or not.

It's immaterial at this point. Then when this wasn't going to work, it was his agreement. Well, since Norma had never taken anything for the books, no royalties, nothing, the agreement was that after they broke even, 50% of the profits would go to the Institute, not to Eckers, into the Institute to be utilized for expenses and salaries, etc. He was putting nothing into the Institute. He was pulling out from the Institute. That's where the $150,000 base note comes from. And yet he told Nora, personally, that that's nothing but a paper trail. I don't owe them anything. So then he offered, well, all right, I will send monthly to the liberator to help with expenses because I know it's tight over there, 10% of the profits, or was it gross? Of the gross of all the journals that I sell. So the first month, and this was sort of a confused and split up thing, he sent around a thousand dollars or something to the liberator.

That was it. That would have been in July, August at the very latest, and there's not been a cent since. Now that indicates that either there are zero books sold or there is something wrong with accounting. You have to come up with that there's something wrong with accounting simply because we know of some books sold and in discussions with him he would say, well I can maybe sell 500 right off of the new press but you know it's really hard with the old ones and and the ones that Drew Thea wrote are selling pretty good. Well I guess we don't count that one as being one of ours so there you have it. These are pieces of dirty laundry that would undiscussed had it not come to this. Because at some point you're trying to get your job done and this is a tremendous waste of time and effort. And it's very, very debilitating for everyone. But it's very strengthening in its opposite way. The funding resources otherwise against the projects are excellent.

We just had word last night on the fax machine, money is transferring this very day. That means that there should be some funding pouring in here now to begin some of the preliminary work on some of these projects. And if Audrey would like to, Norma shared the letter with her so she can verify that at least the information is very good. It just happens that Audrey has an investment in that particular funding resource against against a retirement home. That doesn't mean that usable funds will show up tomorrow afternoon. It means that these ones handling these massive trading transactions will have to first of all confirm, settle, and then the commissions begin to come back and then the trading program begins to roll it over and then it is divided and etc. etc. etc. So you're talking about massive international funding and involvement with all of your international banking institutions and then the effort of getting some of those massive amounts of money transferred without nine-tenths of it going to taxes.

And if you think that they don't dicker and make deals, forget it. They dicker and make very big deals. On the other hand, much of the money can be brought into the states exactly like you utilize corporations as loans and notes. And in some instances, it does take trust to very fully be able to utilize these systems. And yet when there is great disgruntlement or disagreement or misunderstanding, it's easier not to struggle with it. And I would repeat, Cort is not available today. He's gone to attend corporate business, etc. But there's very valid office facilities, shipping facilities, everything you need being set up in Las Vegas by Cort.

Everything is absolutely, impeccably being taken care of business-wise. We cannot even consider working with the funding sources that are coming, and this is only one of three. such critical, life-threatening potential that I cannot even talk about the resource, but it's very valid. And that too is being set up not only to get some of the money flowing from offshore where it can be secure and the people into security. And that is going, their security in every instance is going to depend upon your integrity. You may never know. You may never know how or why or when even a given project is yours. It won't be set up that way. We're not going to lose all of it. And the best way to not lose it all is to not own it all. But you need better understanding of the use of your corporations and what that security and privacy means.

It is not just some game that we have thought up to make it convenient so nobody has to pay any taxes. If you owe taxes, pay them. We're not in competition with your government. We're not subversive. We're not trying to overthrow anything. We're trying to build something and retain as much as we can for the work. And yet there are many, many shelters if you use it properly. It's of no value and only dangerous if you don't use it properly. So if it seems that some of the ones are being nitpicking, nasty and cruel, they are following to the letter for your protection and your privacy.

And any kind of request regarding your personal assets as they may have been put in on a personal level that was never intended that it be that way. Some however did not form corporations. On the other hand, some monies were directed to different segments of projects and have been funded and utilized, those resources cannot pay them back. And if it's the Constitutional Law Center, it's got to wait now. There are two sources of money that will be coming into the Constitutional Law Center. One will be a fund set up by the military for some constitutional issues. There will be other funding. There is a minister who has been accused of molesting children. His church was attacked and two of the young men said that he didn't do it. They were just trying to extort money from the church. So this one was convicted and I believe they're waiting for a retrial.

I'm not sure what the status is with this. His name is Reverend Davis. It was a famous was contacted because they described the sexual acts. And it very definitely involved penal penetration. And this man had been impotent for 15 years prior to the incident. So all information could not have gotten to court, could it? So some very interesting things are going on. The Constitutional Law Center right now, along with trying to clear up this other situation here with America West, is efforting to deal with the situation in Los Angeles. They are secreting jurors from all identification and this means that they are going to make private, secret hearing. Los Angeles is being set up for work. So things are happening. Your efforts, your work, your paying off. Why do you think you're getting attacked? If I ever misled you into thinking this was a rose petal strewn garden path, then I cannot imagine how I ever did it. Because I'm also accused on the other hand of being a fear monger and don't we ever have anything good to talk about?

We're finally having something wonderful to talk about. You're making headway. You are making headway. The Constitutional Law Center now has a reputation that when Mr. Dixon walked into the Pentagon offices of General Powell, who had been called to the White House, General Powell's staff got up. Oh, we know about you. We aren't going to slow up a second. And yes, you do need spiritual support. So I'm going to go on hold. I have to go on writing what needs to be written to get us through is picking up the spiritual guidance from the rainbow masters and we will be riding on those things. So it's not a time of sitting back and licking wounds. still are in absolute daily waiting for eviction. There is every effort being made to work a deal with the RTC who now has full, now I mean this is another thing, for Mr. Green to be telling people from Canada to Florida that there is no litigation on the Ecker dwelling.

That's all fabrication and they didn't pay their bills and they didn't do this, that or the other. There have been dozens of court appearances, five in one week recently. And glory hallelujah, the RTC because you see somebody else can buy it very, very cheaply. They cannot touch it. They cannot buy their own property. Someone else can come in and buy out the RTC's interest and then they are willing maybe to deal with Eckers for temporary capability of staying in the house until they can conveniently or a little more conveniently move. The offer that is being made from Arizona is the most gracious of all because it would allow them, they don't want the property until spring, They would rather have someone living in it.

And the RTC even has said they would rather not have the property vacant while they were working on this transaction, but they also want to play games. They want to force the issue. Yeah, for a couple of thousand dollars a month you can just sort of be a caretaker there, well that's unacceptable and that isn't the point though. They will let them stay there another 30 days, 60 days, while nobody's in the house anyway, pay rent and in exchange for that cute little favor, these ones, they want to drop all charges against the non-sale, all ones before, which is a federal criminal action. So it's fun. It's fun. And Gorma would like to go sit in a corner. You know, she's got a daughter ready to have a baby and D'Aline's got bronchial pneumonia. Moved into a different house so they can handle Ghiandriana, which this is what George is doing down this weekend, to set up a way, hopefully, to close you down down from any kind of conduct of sale with Gyandriana.

So there are always plenty of pressures. I never said it would be different. You volunteered. I accept it. Your commitment is with God. I'm here as a commander of a project. And I'm going to get it done. And I welcome aboard anyone who wishes to travel with me. But I'm not going to be blackmailed. This This other thing is very serious. Can I answer a question? Please. Are there facilities in Hawaii centered on those in Camp David?

I think I shouldn't answer that. There are several facilities all over. Camp David is only one. They do almost as much at Bethesda. There are very, very large replica facilities in Australia. That's one of your major. It's bigger by far than Camp David. it, but you also have the largest underground security facilities for the elite there also. Reporter- Commander, regarding the money that Georgia short-stopped, I expect that you meant some of those funders to go to a bi-directorate.

Commander- All of them, all of them.