|0.00|> Thank you for the question.<|7.00|><|7.00|> Then we back up and he has created proof that not only did he have the intent which is shown by the $80,000 lawsuit,<|22.00|><|22.00|> dollars outstanding that he received for those books that were sold. He would take the credit card, the cash, the whatever, send Rick the request to mail out. Rick was spending his own funds to do the mailing and then he was never making payment. So now you have the intent and the proof that he did. Now what else has he done that you want to know about? Especially you want seeking truth and proof. Because I can understand this is adversary always is precious ones. He made a note, a series of notes, I told you one of them was $20,000 the week that he published Coleman's book that you receive a cent for it. But what did he do? He captured himself in a trap, either way, in this one also. He had borrowed or advanced, just as anyone else very legitimately done from the institute with signed notes to the publisher for over $150,000 which now amounts to somewhere in the neighborhood of $170,000 to $175,000 in for publishing etc. for needs.

Quote, always I got sick of it, to get the word out. Whose word? What word? Which word? And where do we go to get this word? And where do we talk about phony spaceships? And the committee of 300. He used as collateral the inventory of journals. But he then turns around in the court of law and says but publishing company doesn't even own those. Oh? That means Oh, that means that America West distributors must have purchased those books then from the publisher, right? That corporation must have bought from this corporation if they now owned them. There was never any deal with a distributor of any kind.

But this does indicate a commercial transaction took place. How much of the proceeds did any of you see? Even the one who wrote the books? Not one cent. Now that's okay. He either lied in a courtroom before a judge and now on paper and now worse than that has filed litigation about nine of those volumes which are still classified circumstances as original publications. Doesn't matter where they are. So he either lied when he said they belonged to the distributing company or he broke his word all along the way or he signed a legal note with a valid institute using those books as collateral. Which is it? Fraud either way. Either way it's fraud. Hatton has done nothing to George Green. Echres have done nothing to George Green.

George Green has efforted every way he can think of, including sending these precious ones to Jason Brent, whom he knows hates the guts of the Echors because they cost him two elections. Settlement, I suggested you settle because I didn't see at that point in the way to win. It was too fixed against you. It's different today. But now that the strength is coming forth, after all of these months of refusing any kind of interchange, I don't care what he's telling everybody, he refused any kind of interchange and we even have a witness, Karen said to George on the phone, and accept through an attorney. Well, yesterday came a fax from George. And we need to present it here so we can flesh this thing out and take this board of directors of the institute a little bit farther off the hook of decision making.

Did you bring that? Yes, sir. Whatever we are going to do when we get 1999 out of your brain, we will be on our way. Positive reinforcement. The letter is undated but the fax dates things and it says April 23rd at 10.09 a.m. E.J. Eckert, Dorsecker. This is to let you know that I will settle the lawsuits in which you initiated and also... We initiated. And also the one against the Hatchipi distributors. I have also talked to the University of Science and will settle that one in the way agreed prior. I don't understand how you can want to continue to litigate when Desiree and I have expended over half a million dollars of our own money and guaranteed your living expenses during this time. That one really got her. That one did Dorman.

I.E. the Henson Riders. Oh, and that one did it secondly. They did. Joy did send money. She wanted to send a gift. George was all tangled up in it. And there was a refusal to take it as a gift, we would take some and go ahead and issue notes. No, no, no. Oh yes. Well, that precious one, one of those notes is what he provided from her attorney in Michigan. That said California Corporation and he said, oh, oh, well, no, I didn't sign that as a director, etc. That was when there was going to be a California non-profit, something or other. There was never, ever, ever, ever, ever mention of such a thing. That again, total perjury right in front of you. California, that he needed to set it up for signing in California. Now, of the money, get this, this was for outstanding attorney's fees that she wanted to have. And later she did offer to purchase the house, but she got crossways with George Green. And so she backed off on that. That was all back then, understand.

But there was a large sum of money that came in. And I believe 70,000 each day? 50,000 in the first transaction. How much of it went to gold though? That's what I want to know. You have to go purchase this gold. That collateral is purchased. Well at any rate, it broke out with gold, with everything, there were $50,000 of which went to George Green. And when he says he through Henson Rutter supplied E.J.'s and And he never would have heard in his remotest, widest range of these people that it had not been for our work. And in all of this he never gives credit for one sentence of work.

What are we doing? Go on please. You have the opportunity to get books to sell which you know you never paid for as the monies were used for the liberator and very little went to the printer. Isn't that interesting? And let us go a little bit farther with a printer. Good liberator people were going over and right now still I believe that I probably have a verification of this in this room. Chuck was printing these books that George Green is charging you at the very least $3 in his calculations for what you might get back. Volunteers from the group were going in helping Chuck with his printing and George Green has been cleaning up whatever he has sold, 850 a book.

And the only reason that he wants to deal now is because he called the major copyright attorney in New York. Bloom and Bloom, Cook and Cook, something. And just based, now mind you he didn't sell any books, but just based on that $12,000 what am I up against? And they told him that in contempt of federal court order they can charge him up to $10,000 a book. That is $12 million dollars George Green will owe in fines. I guess he's getting interested in settling. Cookie. No wonder. Go on I think.

Let's stop the further nonsense and let us go on with our lives and get rid of the expenses. Dixon did not act in a rational manner from our previous discussion. The continuous accusations do not do anyone any good by the number of letters we are receiving. Hot dog! You ones have done it. You cannot imagine how many letters they have received petitioning to stop this. If you do this good a job, you'll turn the Constitution around, you'll get it back. Confusion does not get you an audience. What happened to the focus of getting the truth out rather than fighting... That's awesome. That's on one bonkers. Rather than fighting an open court and for what?

The board has told you, was told, you agreed to settle, and yet that wasn't what Dixon said. He wanted to change the terms so that you get everything and we have all the potential lawsuits. You're certainly not understanding the situation. We are taking a huge financial loss just to get away, or as I told Dixon, I will spend the time in the courts and not defending your position as all you have done is attack us. You started this. You can end it. Just call Vallas as it should be and he will contact Horton to unwind the mess. George.

How was it? $45,000 you see, he was going to charge you $50,000 but you see all of you nice people went to court, you would hate to give that up wouldn't you? Wasn't that an experience? And didn't that attorney say $45,000 and George gave you $50,000? That's right. Just a little here and a little there. Now if he has a million dollars, does he need yours? He obviously still has his ongoing arrangement with Goldman. He said so. True. The problem is you don't know what's going on.

And each of you has this bubbling need to sacrifice and be miserable. Dorma, as much as all of you, don't hurt poor George. He's going to come up again. He's back in reality. He's a nurse. Well, let's not get too mean. We've got enough mercy here. The point is we don't really want to undo him. But do you sit still and let God be trampled over? No.

over. Your stewards, is it honorable to Dave Overton, $45,000 I want to tell you that every negotiation from the day that court was heard to George going around without even notifying, these are the ones that went to court and you were in that courtroom when that attorney that represented George Green went all the way with the one from USMP against you. He has been in negotiations and bickering with those ones from onset and they finally told him they would settle for the $45,000. It did not come around this way. He did that. How much legal help do you think you might get for $45,000? Plus the $65,000 that you his pocket change. You're talking at over a hundred thousand dollars, wouldn't that buy a little bit of legal help and maybe someone could get educated? You're talking about THE, The explanation of what God is. Not some cute little Lao Russell who wants to sit and meditate upon it while they bury the scientific value of Walter Russell's work. That's exactly what they did with Nikola Tesla. Are you going to let it happen? Well, you've got to confront it. It isn't like it will be lost. It just work harder to get it all redone and get Walter Russell out of it so that they don't come and tear him down. But I'll find a way to make sure Walter Russell gets his credit.

So we have two things. We have the contempt thing that is still pending and the judge is absolutely scratching his head. Number one, he doesn't know why in the world he ever left. Ed Young will say, that's right. He had to sit there and say, damn this was on the motion. You don't even have witnesses. And for crying out loud he turned to be intelligent. This could go wrong, my goodness. I better check you know with my higher entities in Washington. Terrestrials. Right.

But he probably, if he's not settled, will come down with a contempt charge, which of course then you have to appeal and then it goes on and on and on and on into infinity until finally Germain gets on the stand and tells them all to shove off. At which time Germain will probably get in contempt of court and Thormell will have to go to jail anyway. I can't believe it. Do you have anything? What you want. Thank you. I thought I tried to explain to her.

A decision does have to be made, a reconsideration of the decision. We made a decision, then we made another decision and then now EJ has done a counteroffer and he said no we won't take a split. and ones are kind and so I believe that he was offered to settle and the institute would pick up the money to Henson Riders that note it was already covered with gold anyway so that's nice because he had done a personal note for them and he got the money what in the world are we talking about? I guess maybe the thought for the gift is truly the best part. He's made a deal with USNP that would never have ever come up, had he not tried to feed it, those books would be sitting, their tax would be distributing, had he done exactly what he said he was going to do and not done what he's done.

There should not be a $45,000 bill. It's his bill. He is the one in contempt. Now I want you to pay for it. And then after all these things are paid, including that, and the attorneys, etc., the gold will be sold and you'll split the difference. Big deal. He must think he can settle some way with USNP because that was only a contempt hearing. It has nothing to do with the votes. Unless of course he's made another deal, which you know he had.

had, he would have gotten five volumes back. Unlawfully because they belong to Rick Martin, they no longer belong to the Institute and if they did belong to George Green they would collateral for that number. So the reason when E.J. slipped and said Overton rather than Horton I stopped him. Shouldn't Dave Overton have some input into what his gift would go to. You see the institute went on record to the court to please return the gold to the original owner in Texas and Mr. Overton could make his decision. But George has already split up the gold and sold it see. I mean he's got the gold because it's in the court. But right now it is sell the gold and do all these things with it. At this point it isn't even wise to sell it because However, that is beside the point. It's probably going to need to be sold anyway to come to any kind of a conclusion to this mess.

And we all know what Dave Overton will say, whatever makes it easiest for Dorma, he would He would have bought her home for her directly. It was in the letters that George is using for proof for mortgage payments whatever is needed. George and Desiree Green were wanting payments and Dave Overton had no way to reach the Echres period. Everything had to come through America West. So it was extremely easy to divert and he did and he has diverted one hell of a lot more than you can imagine. Now Gold Digger Dorma, out there trying to get her gritty most out of this. The little group hasn't stopped giggling yet. They finally go down and gather all this stuff off this corner thing, you know, this pile up to, it's being held up by the upper shelf.

How much did you find in there? So far, $600. It's been thrift. You almost wasted all of your money. Squandered it. On parrot food. Parrot food. Don't forget the phony flowers. True. I think that's one.

And you're going to be sorry you mentioned that one. She wants to know where the real ones that go in the flower beds. That are overgrown with weeds. What do we do? I don't want to be King Solomon here. Neither do I want to bring any more pain or misery. George also included in his document something that I wrote a long time ago when he was being thrust upon out on the road and they were trying to discredit him. And I meant it. I have said it over and over again, I will repeat it. I have nothing but gratitude and appreciation. they served for whatever reason they served is between them and God. I am full of gratitude.

As we turn it around and look at the reflection however, we must consider where we also damaged badly by that which we did not know might be said out there. Because some pretty interesting things have come back to that talk. And they didn't resemble anything I sent out. It is not to the extent that the inside groupie is saying and these are pretty interesting uptown people like Al Belick etc. word through that community is that George Green took 10 million dollars from here. Now if he did that I don't see how he did it I would really have to look into it I believe that is just somewhat of an exaggeration it was greater than you know but lesser than that but I will guarantee that it has cost you that much. Also is the rumor that he is a direct agent serving to pull this down via the CIA and I can verify that.

Yes. So that's true. That's true. I don't even know if that poor little machine knows. It's a picture. So are we willing to risk Norma's time in jail? No. No, I'll keep her out of jail. She'll cause more trouble otherwise. Well, that's one for John. The day she gets back, you're on the same list as E.J. She'll have you both out there digging up those weeds.

Good. Which tax shall we take? I think maybe you can make some expression here and let's maybe it's too late. Maybe it's I don't know where they are, it's been a new one every day. Monday after tomorrow got cancelled, continued because you had a very bad attorney, you have a very good one now. You have a higher member of that same law firm but this one knows what he's doing and I will say this to go on record, all those attorneys that have never bothered to respond to any of my calls, you blew it buddies, because when we're done you are going to be Nefata corporate attorneys that won't stop and there aren't any in California or or any of the other states and I'm going to require that they learn everything there is to know about Nevada corporations and they're going to make a lot of money.

Mr. Vales is young but he's also quite arrogant and did in fact for Monday's hearing file a motion against the motion which is absolutely kicked out of court. Embarrassing to say the very, very least. But you know what? EJ and Doris are getting sick to death of having to do their own law work. It behoves an attorney to string it on and on and on, doesn't it? Quality means nothing, quantity means everything to an attorney. I have to somehow reach through to Scott Tips. Scott Tips has the detail mind to be the best corporate attorney on the face of the earth. So somewhere we've got to get rid of all the friction. Get focused. But you see it's always money. Well I don't know if I can afford to do that. I have this, you know, $700,000 home I've got to attend. Well if you don't get caught up, mind you, if you don't get caught up in what is coming down, you're not going to have a job anyway.

That home won't be worth a pile of rubble after the big one anyhow. Put your mind to what the future is. And in the interim it's going to be in Nevada corporate law if you want to get anywhere. Free attorneys when this kind of litigation goes away, because it will. I guarantee you it will. When this nit-picking crack goes away, you won't have so many lawyers. You know the joke. No, you don't know the joke. I'll tell you the joke. There was a group gathering and right offhand I can't even remember what the first thing was, but it was a national, you know, a national commodity. I believe, oh, I know what it was. It was Russian and they're sitting around in this group and the Rosham has his bottle of prime vodka and he said sure let us have a drink so they passed around the vodka and I believe they were on an airplane and this doesn't make sense so there's no reasoning to this please scientifically he threw the vodka bottle out the window and they're like And they were like why did you do that and waste that?

And he said, What's the sporting in it? We don't need it. So the next one was a Cuban. And he passes around these beautiful Havana cigars. Takes his own, throws a box out the window. What the hell are you doing? Says the American, those you can't even get them in America, that's all we got over in Cuba. So they looked at the American and there were some lawyers in amongst this group you see and they said well sir what do you have to offer and he threw the lawyer out the window.

And I apologize for spoiling the joke. But I have a lot of them. How do you tell the difference in a lawyer and a snake dead on the highway? by the skid marks in front of the snake. Now that was told to us by an attorney, so he's the fix in fact. So he doesn't really care for attorneys, so I think we can swing him around. Once he frees himself from the burden that George Green has placed on him, George Green jeopardized his very career by misleading him and he believed him. And he drew up some documents trying to get those books freed, only to find it was a lie that he contacted and by his own words he contacted over 1200 people and he told them all that they could get these five books from him that they had been released the court no longer wanted them and if you want to need verification of that there were a lot of phone calls threatening that attorney for USMP if those were released it was going to be his head.

And there was a lot of explaining to be done at which point this is when Scott Tips asked for release because there could no longer be any representation in this particular case. That's serious when you set up a friend, especially something that could disbar this man. And yet it sounds very good to say you started it. No, that's not so. So let's hear from you, E.J. Would you like to hear the current, I shouldn't say you, you know what it is. Would the audience like to hear the current on the table offer? Yes. Yes. I can see what they are going to give away.

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I'm going to give you a little present. I'm going to give you a little present. I'm going to give you a little present. I'm going to give you a little present. I'm going to give you a little present. I'm going to give you a little present. I'm going to give you a little present. This is the offer that Dixon was working on on the week ending Friday the 16th. That's a little over a week ago. Number one, Overton and Sarte Gold and Silver Bar released immediately to the Institute.

Number two, immediate shutdown of USCP case prior to hearing in Fresno Monday 4-19. Number three, immediate shutdown of both Mindom Gold and Carson City journal inventory cases with all appropriate releases to both parties. Four, immediate release of all Phoenix Journal and tape inventory, not to include the inexpensive operator owner manual and the Book of Desirees, Sonanda writings called the pre-flight instructions. Number four, Phoenix Institute assumes responsibility and releases George for the two Hinson writer notes totaling $70,000. Number six, the Phoenix Institute pays off the printer, estimated $40,000. Number seven, the Phoenix Institute pays George Green $50,000 with which George must secure a complete release of the USMP case.

Number 8, Phoenix Institute pays George $75,000 in final settlement based upon the representation that there are approximately 110,000 journals in the inventory. Number 9, release of Soup v. Stach be distributing, Inc., and cancel the $87,000 invoice. Number 10, statement for publication in the contact formerly the Liberator. That was the offer of 416. by the following postscript to the letter dated 4-23-93, which was Friday. Well, Dave, we have just learned of some additional misses that George has been into. I won't detail it here, but I have pulled the board by telephone, and their unanimous opinion is that George Green not only should not get any of the proceeds of the stolen gold, but should get some jail time. With some discussion and effort we have concluded that if we reduced his walking money to zero, he might not be able to pay his several attorneys, which might foreclose his ability to settle, so we have modify the offer by reducing the amount free and clear to greens to $20,000. All other items remain as listed. That offer is on the table now. It has not out of here, crossed over George's incoming letter suggesting that we settle. I am not sure what the protocol is when it comes to cancelling an offer, but I presume we have that right any time that we want to do that.

You could rescind it. Can I ask a question? Margie Yes. What does whether you accept this offer say have to do with the Doris's case pending to have to go to jail. Is there any connection? One of the items is that the US and P case be completely released. The court is already trying to find her guilty of, can they do that? They say they can. Oh, okay. Well, we have to also remember something else. That is what Gene said when he was kind of teasing. The judge could have her picked up and put in jail.

On the other hand, that would be a very, that would not be a wise move. And you can appeal it. That doesn't mean necessarily that they wouldn't re-rule. So the only sure way is literally to wipe it out. But is it fair? You see, even God is not always fair, but he will always be just. So let us look at it. Is it just? Is it just for the Institute? Let's put it, let's not put it on personalities.

You see it comes personally against the Eckers, but guess what? It is coming out of monies that would go into the Institute, was intended for the institute etc. So I don't want to put it on the burden on the backs of you ones in this room and say well we're going to keep our money and send orders to On the other hand, I also, you know, three days ago, she couldn't afford to be away because Kathy's baby was going to be due any minute. So suddenly the baby's done and she feels better and she says I could handle jail. So don't make up your minds on the basis of whether or not she would go to jail. Not at this point. Because with the proper amount of support...