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We'll start off by listening to the Bogreits radio tape. I don't know if we'll be able to get it on tape, but let's start with just a verbal rundown.

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Okay, hang on, I'll give you my mom.

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She's the one who's heard the whole thing. Okay.

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Hi, you want to hear? Stop. How are we going to do this so that if I don't want something on the table? I

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don't want this on the table. He's going to be the pants of everyone while he sold his We defended him. Begins to look maybe like Debbie Kidd was right. What really burned them in that area where they were central, basically central to the major amount of work to get Bo pushed along. The simple objection from the team after they lost was that Bo vanished. And she said, she put out a letter, I think probably that came up here, and she said, His people. I called him to task. This was the first time, you know, this was actually the second time. The first time he was so ticked off is when we first became the reptilian. Only he blew that one. to a reptilian is your ability to change colors like the chameleon. That was over parole. When I further brought him to task about no thank you. His worth, quoted. It should have been the cause. And they didn't get one. You didn't either. Go on, please.

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the facts from Hatton and from who I believe the voice of Hatton is and that's Doris Henser. I want to share with you some of, I'm going to read it right off of what I received, some of the language, some of it I cannot, but I want to read you the graphic part and then we're going to see where Hatton has honestly gotten most of the revelations because Dr. Binder for the university has successfully sued the Hatton organization for plagiarism. I believe the truth will come out. Alright, stop.

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These are the ones and I want you to yell stop when you see them. We may be here two days. But I want you not to miss a one. And this is something that must come to the attention of Gene. These things need to be resolved in any way, shape or form.

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Go on please. Remember Hatham, you're not supposed, by your own words, if you are God, of which you say you are, then you're not supposed to bear false witness against your neighbor. So let's knock it off and let's get out of the truth. I would ask that you hold your toll until we've had a chance for Dr. Tim Binder to go ahead and tell us his personal experience with the Phoenix Liberator, the Phoenix organization. I don't know how many names they go under, but basically the bottom line is, Tom, let me give you some of the language now that caused me to go ahead and extend what normally would have been nothing. Quote, it says that I and a man named Green and Anderson are doing nothing more than setting up lies that can be used as excuses for making a rave by the BAPF and the federal forces on the house in which the Eckers live. Then she goes right on, the very next paragraph, the Mormon church in Salt Lake City is staging a push to hit the Eckers and the plan is openly spoken of in Washington Circle. And she goes on to say that Henry Kissinger and Brent Scrofast are running the government and the Mormon church. She says that, you know, some of this stuff is pretty graphic. It's really not.

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Absolutely written.

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Go on.

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Here's how she describes herself. Two old people, that's her and EJ, who have had their home taken, their property stolen, nothing left of them, living on food stamps, ineligible for welfare. Their family pays their meager bills and are applying because of age for social security. There is not and never has been so much as a group of anything in this place. And she goes on to make herself sound like some poor little old crippling lady. She says, I've betrayed my brothers in Vietnam and I've run drugs in Panama. Now see, this is God speaking. This is Hattam. This is not Doris Eggers. So if God can be wrong about so many things, then I think that maybe Doris is less in contact with God than she claims. Stop. Stop. You see, when you don't have the hard document to compare what he's saying, Ethon says that he ran drugs in Panama. No. I can't believe what I said or drugs are still flown into Sandy Valley at one point. What I said about Panama and I worded these things very carefully, Precious One, just so he would admit his own indiscretion right before you. Your enemy will betray himself to you. That is like saying someone was homicided and the guilty party comes up and says yes I stabbed him with an ice pick. I did not stab him with an ice pick. I'm not guilty. He just pulled you. Go on.

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example the bay meeting the Doris and AJ for they are homeless Since the RTC confiscated and sold their property all they have ever wanted is their simple survival and a roof over their heads We're gonna learn what the truth is here Many of you have because there are millions of dollars invested here I'm gonna name you because that's the purpose of this program. We're going to give you names and dates and places I'm gonna give you names of people who have donated given lost I'm going to give you names of people who have donated, given, lost, uh, over hundreds of millions of dollars. Lost! Lost! Don't miss it! And now, uh, it says, this is the POM speaking, so what is this message? Lois will make her own statement in a few days, that she can emotionally handle the near-death experience on Sunday, and the probability of a SWAT team ATF raid that will destroy the rest of their existence. Now, what is all that about? Well, she says that I think these people are legally paranoid and they're probably trying to get ready to enter a plea of infanity. She says, let me try to find the exact quote because there's a lot of things she's calling me in here, but I want to, she thinks that there was a full-scale military operation against them. It says here, quote, On this weekend there was a full military operation set up in San Luis Obispo County to take out a few good men and women, Doris and E.J. Eckert. There was a full-blown operation with guard troops and military troops deliberately blown them all away. Well, I don't copy these tricks too well. You've got to remember this is Hatton speaking, and finally after two hours of very strange things I told them, meaning the military, they would within three more minutes have a full alien encounter of the worst kind on the ground for the world to see if they did not scrub the mission and disperse immediately. She goes on and says that these military soldiers all ran off and they had the largest debriefing that the world has ever known, where all the soldiers were told don't say anything at all. I just want to remind you constantly, you see, he said, I'm not going to say it again, but he said, I'm not going to say it again, but he said, I'm not going to say it again, but he said, I'm not going to say it again, but he said, I'm not going to say it again,

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but he said, I'm not going to say it again, but he said, I'm not going to read it. He didn't. He read part of it and then he interpreted for everyone so that you wouldn't miss it. They all ran away. No. This is what, it does not matter that you counter this incident, this is what you watch for because all of your clues will be that subtle. And I'm not out to get Bogart. So this is training session to see if we're ready to receive.

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Yes. that is listen very carefully to his voice as he talks there is either something a little bit off about Binder that is a bit more original or told what he is talking about or there is a real conflict on that because you are watching very thoroughly oh yes he is extremely stressed

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a lot yes a lot of the very interesting subtleties are gone

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extremely stressed go on

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step by step a man who knows the truth is Dr. Tim Binder. Again, he's with the University of Science and Philosophy, Waynesboro, Virginia. Not too far from where I went to military school at Fork Union, Virginia. I'd like to bring Dr. Tim Binder on the time. Let him go ahead and kind of state how he first came in contact with the University of Science and Philosophy apparently they were plagiarizing other people's information and Dr. Tim Binder can let us know. Go ahead Tim. Do you want it to go on?

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Oh yes.

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Tell me. Okay. And pass the oxygen.

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Okay. Hang on.

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Hello to the audience there. I'm happy to be able to speak on the program today and tell people some of my history with Yeckers.

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He has no history with Yeckers. Timothy Binder has absolutely zero, anything, with Yeckers.

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Some of the things that they've said about you, I find it in the same vein that they've said about the university and my board and what we're all up to. letters that I've received, it would be laughable. Stop! Where the... He has received letters.

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And that's wonderful, but your rebuttal to their great big oppressive unfair competition when you don't have but 1,300 subscribers. subscribers how much damage could you do this magnificent university because in the second take he tells you just how magnificent it is this palace and all the wonderful programs that they have to offer the public and what do you have to offer? You have nothing. Not even the book?

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It all started with Heisenbaum but a few years back somebody sent me a copy of one of the books that Doris and E.J. had put out and oh boy. Transmitted this book to her and she had written it and it turned out there were about 7 or 8 pages. Yes. And the fact that Germaine was the one who gave the information to Walter Russell. This is all lost here. That's a major, major point. Isn't it? Yes. I thought that Tom wrote 21.

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Tom wrote just, you wrote just part of them.

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Well, and you see, we're not going to talk about five of those books because there is so little they can claim. On one of them, they claim we give no recognition in these Pleiades connections. Ah, we very carefully put Walter Russell right on the cover as the author of part of the material. That doesn't mean whether or not it was plagiarized or Walter Russell stood there and dictated

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it.

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And if Jesus Christ can dictate to Mr. Grites, I'd like to know why he thinks no one else can dictate to anyone else. You see, I don't intend to be able to reach the entire world, but surely fourteen of you can make a point or two along the way, and that is number one, Hatton did not. And where was Mr. Green, your educated businessman, real estate executive, insider, knew all about business including how to set up the institute? Oh come on, go on.

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In large part, if not wholly, simple plagiarisms of the Russell's home study course and books, some of their books.

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or holy, he brushes on by that. What they have missed is that the parts that have nothing to do is the important parts of the books. And I'm sure had we just sent him for his review, these parts of the book, he wouldn't have known one end of himself from the other, because until it was brought to his attention, he hadn't even studied the books they had. He doesn't even know how many they have. He would not have listened. We have done our job. We have done our job, and they don't like it. Go on.

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For instance, if any of you had seen the book that they put out, Murder by Atomic Suicide, if you compare that to the Russell's duly copyrighted book, Atomic Suicide, which they originally wrote in 1957, the war in the world against the use of atomic energy for even peaceful purposes. And this is an extremely important book, which I'd like to talk even more about this at length and what we're really doing. But if you compare those two books, you'll see that virtually it's the same book. And another one of their books was Plagiarism of the Secret Light, which is, frankly, I can't think of the book with all the diagrams and everything out of it. Again, a duly copyrighted book by the university.

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By the university? How does a university copyright a book? And number one, scientific information cannot be copyrighted. And nobody has even read the books to sort out the fact that it is well documented all the way through them that it is only the scientific presentation. He is also going to say, without recognition, well I don't know how you, how in the world do you get recognition? You cannot use the atomic chart from Walter Russell without giving Walter Russell credit. So what is he talking about, the University of Science and later technology, or what? He better be very careful how he continues to word that because Binder did not bother to correct it in the second place. Now I'm sure he knew the difference. But maybe your listeners don't. And maybe that's a good slip of the lip. Because they have set themselves up as a philosophical society. Coming out of the Twilight Club and he will give you the whole rundown that Nora so carefully looked up for you.

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And the connections.

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Those are philosophical societies. Mr. Russell's scientific work was only quarreled over. It was never accepted. And they did not draw Tesla into it. We drew Tesla into it, and man, you are going to hear them using that all the way through the rest of these programs.

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Go on please. From Saint Germain who had originally given it to Walter Russell and now Anton and now they wanted it put out in the form that it was and of course that's their defense that they weren't infringing on copyrights. There's a guy named Bishop who gave the book. Let me ask you to hold the thought right there. We're going to take a little two minute break. When we come back we'll have Dr. Tim Binder of University of Science and Philosophy, Wayneboro, Virginia, talk about how he...

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Okay, we'll put it down for the break. Do you want to go on for the rest?

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Are you pretty mad by now?

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Well, I'm getting there. I'm recording all of this so Yeah it's pretty We were just our mouths were like open Oh, oh, oh

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You know what do you say?

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Does it get better?

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Okay well let's keep going on it

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Okay well they're on a commercial

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Let me see if I can fast forward the tape to the commercial

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Let's see Oops Okay Are you taping this? Yes.

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Okay, I think it's coming back on.

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This is Dr. Norm Resnick.

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Today from 3 to 5, I am privileged to have again Sheriff Ed Jordan, Weld County Sheriff in the studio. Sheriff, no, that is a very good question. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to answer that.

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as Jordan, Wells County Sheriff in studio.

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Sheriff, this is a very old... No, that's a... No, commercial for the next program. We're in the studio talking about Trump. Uh-oh, I went past it. Have a really wonderful weekend. Okay, here it comes. Hi, I'm Dr. Satan, and today with Dr. Tim Geinder of the University of Science and Philosophy, Waynesboro, Virginia, who is telling us that a real genius of our time, born before the turn of the century and died in 1963, a man who was recognized by the world as being a genius, had come forward with various philosophies that he recorded, duly recorded, in copyright written books. And that when Tom began with his, through Doris Ecker, with his revelations they were nothing more than word for word plagiarism. Now one thing that I have learned is that E.J. Ecker, who is Doris' husband, actually got a copy, set for it, at least it looked like copied it word for word. Kim, what do you know about that? And what do you know about also, if you wouldn't kindly expand this thing, the plagiarism, I understand they also plagiarized some 30 books of Sister Faye Bates. And let us know any other information you've got directly on it. Okay, yes, they did plagiarize some of the books. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. I'm not sure what the title of the book is. Let us know any other information you have directly on it. Yes, they did plagiarize a home study course and not attribute authorship to that particular writing. And again, as they did with all of them, they said that this came from the Don. I had information sent to me from the Ask Foundation in Sedona, which was papers showing that they had contacted the Ekers some years previously about infringement of Sister Sager's books. I think it was about 30 of her books that Doris had, shall we say, borrowed and put out. No, April is dead. In some of this whole series of books that they put out. And there were papers back and forth between their attorneys and the Ask Foundation attorneys and basically the Ask Foundation did not have the will and the finances to continue on in a court battle and just let them continue. Tom, point to it. Well, I did ask the question to the agency and in our case I figured, you know, I had even people say, well why aren't you bothering because, you know, they're getting the information out. And of course our goal is to try and give the world the wonderful information that the Ruffles gave out. The thing that bothers me is in many cases the context that they put the information in, not to mention the fact that they didn't attribute a lot of ship to the Ruffles, not to mention the fact that they could have just bought our books at a distributor's discount and sold them. Hold it.

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Hold it. You really think Jordan Green would have done that? We're going to go back in time to meeting with George Green the first time. Because you see, he also is now screaming plagiarism. from, and they called his name Emmanuel. He was so pleased to have this manuscript. This was before he had ever met, ever known, ever had any input, and somehow three manuscripts establish who sent them and neither could you. But boy did his little blinkers go on when we got to Emmanuel. There was a man who called himself a professor dear something something or other, and since they have done a duplicate of this book. This was the information that pulled George Green in. I find it very interesting that as a noted publisher and world-renowned businessman that he didn't notice any plagiarism then. He didn't notice anything strange about Sunanda and Judas the Horea, doing some little tinkering from space, an administrative position holder in a children's hospital for nine or ten years. She's written one story and that was a movie treatment that she was by little crow and Suddenly you are so foolishly stupid and naive that this at the time a grandmother can bring in a Book every two to three weeks, and you don't even question it You just want to make sure that all hat on signs off on the don't hold me responsible. Well, if you don't recognize Hapon, what the sub-good is some hold harmless. Signed by that one up there, the separate entity America was distributing? And sweet receiver Desiree? What did you have? You had one very genuine article who could not let go of the fear of loss, and did not have the strength to do anything about it. Desiree Green was not going to move to this place. She was not turned on to God or anything else. She was not going to move to a shack in this place. Period. And on the day of the move, she still was not going to move. She sat herself down the morning of the move and said, I will not go. And at that point George says, I am going and this house is no longer yours, so it wasn't theirs anyway. Which also negates their later claim to Dave Overton and the gift Dave Overton said, if Desiree or anyone needs this for mortgage payments. In other words, handle it properly, but if it is needed. Mortgage payments. Nobody at that point except Eckers had any mortgage payment. $10,000, not the goal.

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Then it should certainly be noted, shouldn't it?

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This is why you ones as individuals must come together because they are trying to pull down your business that you have been working for since you moved to this place.

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Not just my business will go on no matter where. I choose that it will continue here, where there are members of my brotherhood who have worked diligently to receive, and while we are stopped I want to say something. I want to remind you over and over and over again, these Books, they are not novels. And it was very, very carefully chosen what the subject material would be and reviews done of this. And over and over and over again we gave full, whole, to Walter Russell who wanted to set his legacy to right. Believe it or not, I don't care if not. Ten people outside that room, this room, believe it. It is extremely important to the scientific community and to Dr. Young. It has not been appropriate that I go through there and point out to him word for word for word, hey, they got it wrong here, brother. Look at it. And it's taking him weeks to go through what we plagiarized. Plagiarized. By his own words, fifty years this has been buried. But he would expect God to come with new and wondrous revelations. Even Mr. Binder doesn't know how to present it. And these are dated reviews. I said it before, I will say it now. Those volumes that George Green has now literally, in my opinion, have denigrated to the garbage heap.

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Reclamation of the paper is about all I can see their value.

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How many of you would go in there and pay six or ten dollars a volume for an old TV guide? Or even an old life magazine, especially if you have a copy of it. For goodness sakes, are you nuts? We have very carefully dated those cotton pickers three times at least. You've got more dates on that than you will ever find on a newsletter. That is dated material. I want to remind E.J. this moment. As George joined forces and took over this, he said, boy, we've got to move them. This is dated material, and it gets outdated fast. Remember that? Go on.

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go to court and we did get a preliminary injunction where the court said if this indeed appears to be that you definitely plagiarized these books and you cannot distribute or sell them anymore and they went on and continued to advertise these.

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Nobody in that courtroom including the lawyer who would now like to be paid said these people have distributed nor published anything. Remember at the point that we were in that courtroom and I was there, you better believe it, while they ridiculed and had great sport. And the little clerks, boy, they were just giggling and having a ball, both hearing. Mr. Green was not there and yet they were first name. They had not even been served. Somehow people could find the greens at America West to buy from, but nobody could find any way to serve them. How many of you remember that George and Desiree were going to come to Bowbright's round me and take over and they were going to be the big shots and we said no you won't. They will be there from USMP to serve you Mr. Green was not. Go on.

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The Phoenix newsletter, to have to be distributing and said that they weren't involved with their report didn't make any difference if they were telling people you can get the books there and they tried to tell everybody that we were trying to stop Walter Russell's ideas from coming out. And they said that in subsequent newsletters that the university was really just trying to keep his ideas from coming out. They're very opposite of where our mission is. Then when I talked about slander, we had to take them back to court again when they disregarded the preliminary injunction to not distribute or sell the books. And I also made amendments to that where they were saying things that were of a defamatory nature and that's not true.

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Hold it. This man is the same as poor Commander Grites. I mean these sensitive things like pearls before slime cannot come out his mouth or in his ears. Go on.

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It's a great place. Guess where that came from? George Green.

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It came to E.J. and Doris from Scott Tips, the attorney. And George Green said he had the documents to back it up. He had seen it in print in an article. Only it was 215. So the 50 is an error. But isn't it interesting that it is the 250 that is being repeated here? Go on. These are your clues.

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and Prince Charles sat on my board of directors and I can tell you I know everyone on my board of directors and Prince Charles does not sit on it. Stop. He's going to get around to Satanism and I want you to hear it. I want you to hear this before you.

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Many of you ones I don't believe that I ever told you who had been to that university. And when we wrote about what we wrote about the university, I headed it by saying this information has been sent to us. This was by personal observation of ones there. Number one, you will find no reference in our work to a water tower.

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There is reference to a tower.

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You will find no reference to human sacrifice, none. And Prince Charles and his entire entourage was seen going to, by eye witnesses, the University Palace. During the period of time that they do have ritual services, customarily. Now, if he does not sit on the board, let us assume that he must have at one time to have been either invited there or to feel so at home there as to drop in on a diplomatic mission to the United States. out to go over here to Virginia to this little out of the way palace and also we will have a blatant denial of the name Cohen. Well I doubt that the name Cohen would either be jointly hyphenated or it would have been completely obliterated by now. You see these are things that openly you need not do anything. Why are you hiding something? I am not going to deny and yet was never said. Go on.

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We also had Doris under constant surveillance and that we even attempted to wipe her out.

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followed Rick until his life was miserable and through the same bunch of nitwits, one man was caught with a device to Brent's window and when all of this, when Charles went over to confront these people, they took off. I mean, they stationed themselves right across from the house where they could watch everything. And then there were high speed chases and there were all these exciting things, you know. And finally when the sheriffs went to investigate, what did they come up with? They said, well, because they were for someone in Virginia. Well, maybe it was the FBI or the CIA or I don't know where your different offices are. But I doubt it since it was the USMP that was promoting an investigation and charges against these ones. And they seemed to have whatever information they needed. It was wrong, but they had done an investigation and said, guess what? This got all changed later. Guess what? another name for America West. Hold it in your heart. Go on. And I thought, well boy, if that isn't defamatory language, nothing is. And to me, like I said, it's almost hilarious,

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except for the fact that I know there are certain people who have bought into this.

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And all I can say is, get a copy of, I don't know, I'll remember the title of the book that they called it before the program. So I get it. Get him. Second, he is advertising your book that is banned. If he could only remember the name of it. And he will, he'll get close. Put it down. That is advertising on a public media.

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or truly if it was a message from God it would be something beautiful, it would be something of a revelatory nature, in other words it would be something new and it's not. The information, certainly at least that they plagiarized from the university has been out for over 50 years. And the Russians put it out, yeah. It's in a sense a sad situation and I'd say even a sad situation for them. I know they must be going through a lot of pain because they have to know what's going on. They know that these books in question like Atomic Suicide and The Secret of Life and The Home Study Course that when they put out the additions that they're almost word for word the same thing. And that it's really indefensible. And they know... the Thank you........




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