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Although I don't find anything of any value in this. Yes. He doesn't know anything about it, number one. And you were not back from the lunch break. There is some particular information that I want you to pay attention to. And I have made a little statement and it is the radiation which does absorb part of the ozone and I have made a statement about it so we won't delay this meeting it's going on far too long. So if you want to just kind of listen along and let's get on because I want it documented in this room, the things that are said there regarding the monies through the CLC, etc. and the amount of money that supposedly have been coming through here. And if those are anywhere in the ballpark of accurate, then as stewards, you better go after Anderson and Green because number one, you do not have any idea how much they have taken. And number two, if that were to be a fact, that is unthinkable. So let's just stop every now and then and listen a little bit. Don't fast forward it.

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Leave it going.

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No, let's fast forward it a little bit.

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He's going to talk about, if anybody can remember anything in there that you'd like to hear and comment on.

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That you'd be able to make the decision whether you want to support this kind of thing. And let us be fair, I invited to a tour of a town or afton or whatever she wanted to appear in. I invited her on the program. I received back this blistering letter which is very graphic and pieces of the anatomy. And so I just think I'm going to be respectful but let me give you the Ecker's number. Maybe you want to take the newspaper. Maybe you want to donate money. That's your choice. Anyway, Doris Ecker's telephone number is 805-822-0601.

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Isn't that wonderful? The great big man of the world gives out Doris' home phone number.

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With the full expectation everybody will call and denounce her.

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Well not only that, he obviously has your phone number, even though he said, you know,

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he tried to reach contact to interview Doris.

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Very good, thank you. We all missed that. Isn't that interesting?

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He doesn't want to talk to George or Hatsoff, and that's the reason he called contact.

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We went down to the hotel downtown to suck a rat. And after the meeting, my wife and I went down to the front desk to speak with him. And I said something to him. I said, I think we have a mutual friend, i.e. yourself. When I made that statement, as though I had slapped the man in the face. I hear commanders and all over the room, people were extracting both rights for President. And this reaction took effect on me. I couldn't put a pinpoint just in time, but I knew there was something wrong. This red flag came up, and he walked away from us. He wouldn't talk to us. Oh yeah. Right. And he muttered something, if your friend is his, you're not mine. Something like that. I didn't catch it first. So we went home. And I told my wife, I said, there's something wrong. We took down our campaign for Bo Griffith. And we turned over to Mr. Perot. And now I see what the man really is.

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God in his awesome wisdom gives us insight into a man and his way of operating without our precisely asking for it.

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Don't you see that it's easier this way than to take up the gun or anything? It takes a little longer and they always reveal themselves.

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Well I appreciate that fact that God loves us so much. He loves us to be trapped for long. That's a reason to be here. Commander, I got a page of the pod, the brand scope of the CYU graduation commencement.

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It would be real interesting to make a wish for you.

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It would, yes.

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How the New World Order and how we got to work together, you know, at peace. Yes. Well, I had a similar circumstance with my grandfather.

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What did he do?

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Well, that was, to me, that was the fight of the hand that so-called defeated whenever whenever he

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had that reaction and so you know man can't hide behind a thought for long no

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not when that reflection is of yourself that you call another

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you wouldn't find something else you mean to fast forward to?

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I remember getting yesterday, he's from the University of Science and Technology fascinating curriculum up there that comes from the field of tyranny. And I think rather than going out and attacking anything, the answer, at least it's been the thing I've seen as an answer,

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I have a comment about the covenant community.

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Go ahead. I apologize for keeping you waiting and also our listeners, because we said yesterday that they could have a chance to call in and talk to you directly. The number for talking to Dr. Tim Bynum, let's try to keep our comments addressed to him at the University for Science and Technology is 1-800-950-TALK. Now Dr. Tim has got a 1-800 number there at the University of Science and Technology. I'll give it out now, 1-800-882. And then the last four numbers are the easiest.

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Don't go too far because he's going to get himself in trouble here.

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Pretty quick. Those works. Tim, why do you think, why would you suggest that people get the real work The real works? And you have them I understand in home study courses. Why do you think that Tom chose those particular works to launch this campaign? Well, they are for most people truly new. The ideas, even though he expressed them many years ago, they are still very new. And particularly his vision of science was a new vision begin to consider the direction that he pointed to 70 years ago. And so they're very interesting books. They're timely, even in 1994. And I think that they chose them because they figured that we wouldn't try and fight any theft of these journals. I just found it fascinating. the description of Dr. Walter Russell. I guess he only got a fifth grade education but I'm sure he had doctorates awarded to him. Give us a little bit of history. Will you? Okay. Dr. Russell and some of the things he accomplished? Well, he was a poet, painter, sculptor, author, musician. He designed billions of dollars worth of buildings in New York City in the early part of the century, the Bronx Freeway, the Hotel de Artis, among other buildings there. So he was an architect, again, with no formal training. He was recognized worldwide as an artist. He got international recognition that way. His scientific ideas did not get the same reception that his artists... You may have to turn it over.

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The manner in which scientific ideas did get the recognition.

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That's right.

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Turn it over.

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And that's all that that's all that we use.

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We're just scientific presentations. I think that's where we ended it yesterday. There's got to be more because we have not heard of the forty thousand dollars a week going through.

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You think I might have fast forwarded through that before earlier?

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It's possible. No, we're still on the first side.

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Yes, but it looks like this has been added on. I don't want to spend another day on this. It's sorting time for you. You're either going take your stand with us or against us. And when I say us, I'm talking about command and

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God and Mishom. You don't have to be anything to the Echors, but this is not an assault

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against little Doris Echor and his cute little God bless her. He's after the higher energy. Now wouldn't you think that a man of this all unbending judgmental authority obviously Obviously never heard of Walter Russell.

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And suddenly now it's good old Tim and good old Walter. generation as well as degeneration. He saw centripetal force as well as... Now that's brilliant. That is brilliant. Oh, this big old honking man saw the value of

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centripetal force and centripetal force. Don't you want to throw up, Dr. Young? Heaven help this world. And we're trying. If you hold up, we can.

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plutonium, those radioactive elements beyond radium, deuterium and tritium, heavy water and tritium, all of which of course became the basis of atomic energy and the bomb. And it was three years of his lectures and he published a book in 1926, The Universal One, and that led them along the three years of his lectures to look for these elements. The elements were isolated, of course, and the rest is history. Commander, isn't the fact that he sent that off to all these scientists, that's proof that it's scientific information, at least in his opinion, the one who wrote it?

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Oh yes, we have plenty of tapes. Just nobody ever gets around to being able to produce the case.

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Not only that, he sent all that information prior to it being copyrighted. Yes. We put it into a public domain.

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All the major laboratories.

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This is a copy of 1941, the one that was shot in 1942.

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I'll tell you how bad it is. And Grag's going to have fun with this one, too. How bad is it? No, no, no.

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How bad is it? You can't do a thing with it.

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They have, right, I mean, and Bryce thinks he's got a problem. And that's what he's hoping for. That's what he's hoping for, that you ones will somehow buckle, you know. That somehow this facade will go away. God doesn't go away, God gets bigger and brighter. As you get wiser and wiser. I did not say smarter, I said wiser. I want to finish just one thought and then I will entertain it out. I've interrupted your interruption and I, you know, I'm bigger, I win. In fact, if you could see how small this speck is, you'd be as brave as Dorma. She gets behind me, you see, and writes, I know you will not let him punch me out. That paid off McDonald. You see, all the work that had been done in the USMP case stashed with McDonald. And here's another place they're going to try to nail Gene Dixon. That he knew about it and he basically has played along with it. This is what they're going to say. Now for you ones who don't hear well in here, and go out and, oh, he said something against me. Gene was going to resign. When I said they're going to use you, they have used you. He thought I was announcing to all of you that he is a bad boy. Karen was hurt. I'm sorry if I hurt you. I cannot not tell you when they are out to get you. I am going to protect you." And they worked it out with McDonald, you see. He flubbed the last case, and it was even spoken of with him, the best way to handle

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it.

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And it was that he would basically resign under an agreement. Fired, if you will. Immediately, something happened. The judge said, alright, I will let you go in pro per. I don't like it and all of the things and we'll wait for you to get another attorney and this sort of stuff. No, we demand under the constitutional law to be able to be heard in Pro Per. We cannot afford another attorney. And nobody can bring themselves up to speed. We have no records. No file. The judge cannot bring himself to believe this. So now we go up to another hearing in Pro Per, in Fresno, and he says, you mean you don't have any records? And EJ said, no. We have been unable to get them, your honor. We have written you to get those records for us and we have gotten nothing. We have nothing to go up to court with. Well, I'll get those records for you. Immediately after this hearing, I will call and I will make sure that Mr. MacDonald sends those records. And you will pay for them, right? Well, yeah, I'm sure UPS will take food stamps, sir. But anyway, but you will pay for them. I mean, it will only be a few dollars. Not the amount of records that Mr. MacDonald had because he had been compiling records while he was working on the case. He had all of Nora's research. He had all of the young man's research before him from the East Coast. Boxes of material. Still nothing. So it is suggested get a subpoena to get your records. The judge comes back then and says, well, I don't believe that it needs to go that far because you really have demand of the records. Well, we don't have anything, your honor, and now we're two hearings into this thing with nothing. Well, obviously, Mr. Buchanan's on the line and he slipped. is US&P's attorney and de facto George Green. Because George Green has never had to appear anywhere and it is now known George Green made a settlement. But George Green can't even be honest about that. He can't even be honest about the amount that he settled for. But listen to what happened. Mr. Buchanan, out of his mouth, E.J. said, I have tried and tried to reach him. The judge said, I tried too and I got Mrs. MacDonald and she assured me that that would be sent along. And then he says something to Mr. Buchanan, obviously we cannot have this hearing without any files. Well, we don't want to put this off and I tried to reach Mr. MacDonald also in the last three weeks and was unable to reach him. Pardon me? Pardon me? I, USMP's attorney, was trying to just speak with Mr. MacDonald, your attorney? Why? We don't know, do we? But the judge finally got into it and made a big enough fuss that, okay, Mr. MacDonald would send, at Ecker's expense, food stamps or no, the records. So right up to the day, the day, in the night, in the morning was a joint conference call with Buchanan, with the judge and with the Eckers. At the time of that call there was no one in there as witness, but by the end of the call Charles had come, Karen had come, and I believe Kathy was there. So it was agreed that the box would be opened. No letter of transmittal, no nothing, and no nothing. It was simply a set of court filings. Nothing. No records, no research, no discovery, nothing. So by now the judge is a little annoyed. And he does say, well obviously Mr. Buchanan, there can be no hearing in a timely manner if they do not have any records. Now since then, and that has been how long? Two months? How long? Two months. Still no records. Mr. Dixon even went to his house and confronted him and said I want the records now. I am here to pick them up and put them in the car. Oh well they're in storage. I will get them, I will do, Gene says, I want them now. Now come on Gene, you know me, and I will go over and get them out of storage and I will send them. But you've got to pay for them. No phone now, no nothing, no records. Still no records. Prove it, find MacDonald. And maybe you could utilize the kinds of tactics that Mr. Grites would understand, maybe pull all his fingernails out until he owns up. But knowing Mr. MacDonald and the problems that he has, I don't think that you need to bother. And yet that man will on national radio say that these ones keep extending the case. Now Al, please.

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All I was going to say is, when we call Rebotomic Suicide, right in the front of the book, he advertises he sent this book to all universities all senators and everybody else I don't think he had a copywriter at the time. So I thought it was over.

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Well all that protectionism came after a while.

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And she did her job well. And you needed it so there you have it and there's plenty of research to show. We would not be that careless. We would not be that careless. What ticks them off is we use a lot of the information. And I tried to have Dorma draw these things. She's not an artist. If I worked with Dale now, we could get it done. Why would I do that? This was a man, laugh if you like, standing there trying to bring his work again. There are some terms for what happened to Walter Russell when Lau got him. Talk about your black widow. Beautiful. And her expressions of philosophy are beautiful. But in the use of the Russell work, I would never use something of another's work, especially when I so vehemently disagree with it. The only portion, and they, like Bill Cooper, they plagiarized 50 pages of my book, my manuscript? How could they plagiarize 50 pages when there were only 26 to begin with? And there are some 200 pages in the volume under point. The same thing with the Russell material. How can you have 9 volumes at a minimum of 200 pages a piece, that's 1,800 pages and their book is what? 160 at the very most with everything? Doesn't add up, does it? There was hardly anything except honorable mention to Walter Russell in the AIDS book and how it would be life and vibration as Mr. Russell and Mr. Tesla had presented that would be the ultimate cure, but you had to have the DNA structure, etc., etc., etc. So that book has nothing to do with anything. The sacred spirit within is dedicated to little crow, so how much of that do you think is really plagiarized from Walter Russell's anything? Except light. God is light. Now if that is plagiarism of the ninth commandment or whatever he called it. Taken out of context, no credit given to whoever wrote that version of that Bible. What quoted that to you? Credit, we have even offered to sell those books to get this information to the public. If, in fact, we could have sold the book and not had to sell the philosophy, why do you I think we would waste our time when we are so pressed and overworked to get it out. In the most honorable fashion, we could do it in daily digest writings to call the world's attention to the fact there was a man called Russell. By Dr. Binder's own words, nobody knew it. Go into court and the judge sits there and then they all concur, nobody in the courtroom had ever heard of Walter Russell prior to this hearing. Did Doris Ecker hurt this great man? And as you will see when they get to their endeavors, their business adventures, they're at the palace. You don't have anything.

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You don't have the books.

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You don't have any of those books that George Green has. You don't have seminars. How can you be in competition with this great university? Let's just go on and listen.

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What happened with it, I think it's unfortunate for the world that you might not recognize that if we looked at the whole vision of universal processes, we would not have created atomic energy in an instant. And I'd say the basis of our present science, in a sense you could look at it as a whole of the universe, but it's a whole of the universe. And I think that's what's so important about it. I think that's what's so important about it. I think that's what's so important about it. I think that's what's so important about it. I think that's what's so important about it. I think that's what's so important about it. I think that's what's so important about it. I think that's what's so important about it. I think that's what's so important about it. I think that's what's so important about it. I think that's what's so important about it. I think that's what's so important about it. I think that's what's so important about it. And I'd say the basis of our present science, in a sense you could look at it from the viewpoint that it's based on Clausius' Law of Thermodynamics, and our technology certainly is based on the idea that energy only runs downhill. The Big Bang Theory of the Universe that was started was running downhill and it would go out of existence. And there's only a one-way direction to life. Russell said no there is another, I might use the word non-entropy, that things are not just going to greater disorder, that they are also winding up and they are unwinding. Russell saw generation as well as degeneration. He saw centripetal force as well as centrifugal force dominance. He saw compression as well as expansion. He saw life as well as death. And he saw fusion as well as fission. And it's like that gives you a whole cycle universe. And if you see that and apply it to technology, you can have non-polluting, sustainable technology instead of half-cycle visions that are based on taking something apart. Cloud physics is law of the surface dynamics. That's the only way you get energy and we end up with all the pollution because we don't see the whole process. Tim, weren't you telling me that you think it's Russell, Walter Russell's ideas that could lead to pollution free and maybe even free energy? Yes, because again this whole cycle vision that lets you see the Creator's whole process of creation. And the Creator uses this process in the universe, in everything that we see. And it's like we see a plant come and grow and live and die, and the next year it comes back again. We see water fall from the heavens as rain, and we see it rise as evaporation. It's a continuous process, and our technology should be based on that same vision, not just a half of it. Not just taking something apart but putting it together. You can look at rain as the putting together process, as the condensation, compressing, bringing things together, centrally directed motion, and evaporation as taking apart centrifugally directed motion. That's what Clausius saw. In a sense, in technology, he saw evaporation, he didn't see condensation. How about some of your own interest, and then we'll talk about how people get a hold of the university. Now you're into, would you call it naturopathic remedies as opposed to allopathic or what? Yes, I'm a graduate of the National College of Naturopathic Medicine, and of course we use herbal medicine, homeopathy, and diet manipulation, acupuncture. I'm also a chiropractor and an acupuncturist and all of those disciplines are also taught in the naturopathic colleges now. And I look at traditional natural medicine as really the answer to our health care crisis. You can change the system if you want to try and shuffle who is going to pay for it, but if you don't change the type, the basis of the medicine we are practicing, you are not going to get out of the crisis. Not that I think everything that modern medicine does is bad. There are certain things that they do that I think are wonderful and we don't want to throw the baby out with the wash. But that would have to change the way we look at health and disease and probably at least 90% of the treatments that are currently being done under allopathic medicine, in my opinion, need to go by the website. Tim, what is going to happen to people like yourself who have alternative medicine offerings? And I'm looking at elation specialists like Dr. Robert Vance out of Las Vegas, who is a doctor of osteopathy. And are you guys going to be extinct? Are you now dinosaurs under the Hillary Clinton national health care plan where it's going to be so carefully structured? I don't think so. I think it's going to happen of course. Over.

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Hannah, do you feel that the chiropractic profession is going to be crushed? Financially. They will stop paying for it. They may continue to pay for some skeletal disorders that can be proven. The whole point is to run out any kind of natural medicine. So you will have two. You will have your your insurance coverage for instance, but most ones still will not qualify even under that. So you will be stuck with either having to undergo whatever the practice of medicine is at the time, or you will be out of the system basically. And if you seek this other kind of help, but you can watch what they are doing. They are going to pull the tools away from your ability to use them and put them into the medical category, the drug category, just as fast as they can pull it off. And once you have a plan that is now a national plan, and you have to have a card, they're going to not have to go through the process of judicial legalization or... you're just going... they'll just take it. So yes, I see an end to it. Or in a survival... And you see here's where we are dealing with, we talk about free energy, we talk about all this idealistic crap. And here is a man out there supposedly going to heal and utilize this information of light and frequency and centrifugal and centrifugal and he is mouthing off of a list of things that he's scratched there. And he will never do it without the source of life. And that is the DNA. And my dear ones, that is going to deal with the de Andrianas.

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In addition to the discussion on the medical, I heard on the news the other day that the government is getting involved in child care. And they are talking about how this woman who was going to come and testify couldn't even find somebody to watch her child and so they need to just manage that whole process so I think in the bigger picture basically the government is just taking control of more and more areas of everyone's life so the medical is one

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aspect what sounded like they were going to make it illegal for you to pay cash and go to something you want that you can get arrested for making that conscious choice.

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Yes, I'm sure that they will come to that.

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Not using your card.

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I've heard of the population statistically from polls is using alternative medicine. I think it's actually greater than that. If people are going to use what works, even if they have to pay for it out of their own pocket, when they realize what the government is doing, I'm hoping they're going to get up on their hind feet and say, hey, look it, we're not going to put up with this. We're going to do what we have to do. I'm hoping that they're going to get up on their hind feet and say, hey, look it, we're not going to put up with this. I'm hoping that they're going to get up on their hind feet and say, hey, look it, we're not going to put up with this. I'm hoping that they're going to get up on their hind feet and say, hey, look it, we're not going to put up with this. I'm hoping that they're going to get up on their hind feet and say, hey, look it, we're not going to put up with this. I'm hoping that they're going to get up on their hind feet and say, hey, look it, we're not going to put up with this. I'm hoping that they're going to get up on their hind feet and say, hey, look it, we're not going to put up with this. I'm hoping that they're going to get up on their hind feet and say, hey, look it, we're not going to put up with this. I'm hoping that they're going to get up on their hind feet and say, Hey, look it, we're not going to put up with this any longer. We want alternative health care in that system. And we want the whole system overhauled. We want to be treated with what we want, and that means we want traditional natural medicine, alternative medicine, as part of what we're able to get. If we're all paying for it, we should all get what we want. If we didn't have the AMA, if we didn't have all, a lot of, if we didn't exploit a lot of the real high-tech scanning equipment and one thing and the other, do you think there would really be a health care system as defined by the questions in America? No, I think actually if we could put our attention on what actually creates health and really focused on that. And then also, they so-called father of medicine, Hippocrates, for his victim, for his do no harm, there certainly would be no hell to come.

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Hippocrates. Remember what I told you about the Hippocratic Oath? It is from the ancient mythological gods. And the beginning of the Hippocratic Oath says, we pledge to so, so, so, and panacea, and that's one reason that the word panacea is so prevalent in the medical language, linguist, language, whatever. You know, they have their own. They are taking their oath to a bunch of gods, a whole plethora of gods. And someones, in some places, and your Dr. Korvorkian is one, in his medical school they refused to utilize the Hippocratic Oath. You should listen to it, you should read the Hippocratic Oath. It is not to God of light I will do no harm. It is to these mythological gods. I kid you not. Even hypnosis plays to the mythological god of sleep. And when Tim Binder says, it is so sad that this information has not come, where does he think it's going to come from? Does he think that after 50 years it's going to blossom out there because he does acupuncture?

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They should be on their knees blessing us for bothering with them. But you have to see what has happened to your world. Go on. I just found, uh, look at my 20 years of practice, virtually all of the things that are very costly under modern medicines and treatments, let's just take something simple as gallstones, where their solution is an operation, under an anthropathic treatment, those gallstones can be dissolved and discharged, and you keep your gallbladder and you find out why you caused them, and you change the reasons for that, which also are going to change a lot of reasons for other degenerative diseases that are going to occur. And let me go ahead and ask you to hold the thought here. When we come back from the break, again, 1-800-950-TALK, Dr. Tim Binder, we'll talk about how you can get involved with the university. Obviously, Tom thought it was so important, they plagiarized every word of the home study courses. Maybe this is you. Hold right. Stand by, Tom.

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I don't hear him thanking me.

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I thought it was interesting when he said the real truth. Well, if Doris, you know, plagiarized the material, wouldn't it be just as real? You know, no matter who says it.

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Yeah, especially word for word.

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But as long as he says it, you know, Binder of the University of Science and Philosophy, Wayneborough, Virginia. The reason that I contacted Dr. Binder is because it was the work of this remarkable man that the university had responsible for that Hatton, chose to plagiarize. E.J. secured one of the home study courses, and then E.J. adored his husband, and then Hatton proceeded to give it out as if it were a original poem, until it was noticed by Dr. Bider that this was, word for word, plagiarism, and they tally them in court, they were in court, there's been an against the further sale of the so-called Palladian connection. But because the Edgars saw what was there as most important, I thought it might be important for you so you could get it first-hand. What does the university offer, Tim, so that we might be able to let people know who want to become educated and we'll give them a number? Sure. We have a home study course in the University of Law and Natural Sciences, where I teach philosophy and I teach basically the whole study course in the studies of how the universe works. They also wrote a number of books. We have, I think, currently about 30 different titles covering various, just about every aspect of life that you can think of. of Dr. Russell's books is The Future of Life, which was one of the playwright's books. This book is a combination of philosophy, poetry, portions of his original inspired roughly 40,000 prose poems that he wrote in 1926 when he had Illumination. And science principles. We also have audio and videotapes by the Ruffles and videotapes from some of the seminars and conferences that we've put on, like our World Balance Conference Action to Save Our Planet that we put on in 1989, which is to try to get the world to look at the solutions that exist right now to help make this world work for all of us. We also have a full schedule of seminars and workshops, about 14 of them this year in 1994, covering everything from Russell Science to my weekend seminar in what I call Position Technique to Science and Centering, which is applying the principle of balance and body mechanics so that you become your own therapist, diet, and meditation, concentration, de-centration, internal energy development, the meditative aspects of the martial arts. And we have a number of seminars, and of course the palace is open to visitors to tour, to see memento.

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