This is Sunday, July the 9th, 1995. We'll have to take his word for it. We're too tired to care. Hats on present. efforts to come and visit us. If in fact you didn't, we wouldn't be meeting. We go through this periodically. There is a book, mostly written by Commander, the one we call Ashtar is simply a command title. You think if you say Ashtar, you are getting your goals or John or Peter or Mary or Helen. It indicates something. So when you do hear the term Ashtar, even more so than Hatton, that represents the head or the entity that heads, the Ashtar command. Now what is the Ashtar command? I'm going to go through this again, and then I'm going to get rotten.

I'm going to start off rotten, and I'm going to get miserable. Ashtar, if you want to literally be amused at yourself, you are talking about a 15-mile-long computer system. Now that really is a lovable Ashtar, isn't it? He is a lover with a twin flame, Athena, that he can just come romp around earth with because he's got nothing better to do. I'm tired of it, precious ones. And you are the choir. I have to yell at the choir when the song doesn't go right because all of the singers out there in the audience aren't hearing me. Once again, we are up against a transition period where we need to attend other things.

And I'm not going to share those other things because before I get them out of my mouth, they're already back to Bozeman, Montana and Carson City, Nevada. Now I don't know how that trail happened so fast but always ones that are not on our list of subscribers are getting the contact before we ever get them to our people out there on the list new deluge of letters and packages and garbage. So we have to take time to respond. I'm through We've got several things going on out there. And now comes, oh well, you have that forum. Who built this forum? What is this forum that we might have to speak truth? How is it that other ones can use nasty, garbage language to us?

Threaten our very lives, threaten to put us in prison, and the only place we ever even rebut it is in contact. I write for contact. George Green was the first publisher of Contact, not Contact Federalist or whatever we, Liberator, whatever you guys called it. That's how much I've got to do with it, isn't it? What has happened since yesterday is unthinkable to me. When Ed is here and we have an opportunity to play a tape that was left a message on his machine and I would guess that several of you, if you haven't checked your machines, will have some interesting messages from the middle of the night. John Singer did. Would you care to repeat onto this tape what your message was?

You see, it doesn't play unless you say it. Oh, I thought maybe she couldn't reach my microphone. No, I haven't. I got the message at 12.30. I refused to answer the phone because I was too tired. So when I heard it and played it again this morning, it said, This is Hatton. Call 666. Fuck you, you idiot. And that was it. It wasn't a disguised voice, high pitched man's voice. Ed Young got a more forcefully threatening one so we have to understand that it's coming from this.

Now I would assume since everybody seems to have contact and read it by Dorma, I have to look at this and it's from this article UFO Cult, but it is from this magazine. I'm going to read you what it says about George Green. You see, it lists, we're talking about cults, and here right off the bat is Billy Meier. I don't have a fight with Billy Meier. I went to Billy Meier's defense and I just tore up a new you-know-what on people like Milton Friedman who blasted Billy Meyer. The man started out honorably. And it worked until the ones from the Theophosophical Society got over there and into his business. And then guess what? The very woman that shot at him and tried to kill him three times is now running his Now you tell me who's got problems up here. I get throttled because I say, well, Billy Meyer had mostly contacts from others, other than Pledis. Good grief! His favorite one Askit, that's the one he says he's got pictures of or had pictures of and printed them.

Askit is from the Dow Universe, if she exists at all. She looks remarkably like a model in Munich, Germany. I am not here to verify, disqualify or anything else anybody's material. It will stand on its own. And if a man will not sign his name to something, you better be suspicious. There is an intelligent time to not put your calls. You get no respect from me. Billy Meyer, by his own words, said that he had thousands Lee and Britt Elders went over to do a story. Wally Gentleman, our Wally Gentleman, was involved with George and Desiree Green and Elders. Eckers didn't know that because we're Now, we are liars. The only threat you will ever get from me is that I'm going to tell the truth. I am going to tell you the truth.

I will repeat things that are brought to me so that you can consider them. This is a forum. For ones of us that share in some kind of manner, whether it be friendship, businesses, whatever it is, if we meet over here, what are we doing? Are you coming to listen to your Sunday sermon? I wish that could be true because I could really give you one. And I would give you the truth, but they'd call us a cult, wouldn't they? And especially if you get on a phone list, somebody says, please, will you call me if there's going to be a gathering, a meeting, or whatever you're going to call it. Now next week it'll be a forum. Ones of you in here will say, if we have another for him, will you call me?" Because it gets to the point where the donkey is going along and the man gets so finally tired of being annoyed, he picks up the damn donkey. Well, I don't know what to call the donkey. It's also known as a jackass. So who is the jackass for picking up the damn donkey and trying to carry him because people will overload you. Well, here's one. She tries to please everybody and she gets this garbage and it's painful. And of course, that's why it's sent out the word, but I don't think anybody heard me because I do not see Leon Fort here.

And it was suggested by George Green to Charles that he get together with Leon Fort and have coffee and learn how things really are, right after he goes and talks to Ed Cleary and Nora Boyles. So, Mr. Cleary, is there anything you would like to share with Charles over these ecker-ecker awful people? They're terrible people, aren't they? Especially this donkey carrier. Well, I'll tell you something, she carries my donkey. By the way, I talked to Leon about two weeks ago. Let's get this on tape. It's actually going on tape. Can you hear me? No, no.

Good. Now you can hear me. Boy, can we hear you. You can hardly hear me, but I hope you can hear me. Yeah, I was getting gas over at the Kmart. Here drives up Leon. He didn't see me, he didn't recognize me, because I had my hat on. And, hi guy. He looks, that's me. So we sat around and chatted. Didn't say a thing for about ten minutes.

Discussed everybody. and discussed everybody, total surface talk. They're fine, yes, it's better, yes, etc., etc., etc. Wasn't that a good report about my meeting with Leon? That's fine. You can sit down. I'll ask you to stand up again if we need you. Now Nora is a little bit different because, let's just look through here a minute. One of the things that George has included, he even signed this packet to Charles, the interesting, well let's just read it. I'm enclosing a few pages of information for you. I suggest you ask Ed Cleary and Nora Boyles for their comments.

All charges against me were dropped. All is in capital letters. What in the hell is he talking about? There isn't anything dropped. Now let us just, I won't repeat that so that it's on the tape. As well as charges against Leon Fort. I don't know about Leon Fort. Everybody tried to drop the charges, but Mr. Abbott came in and refused to allow them to be dropped. His client. And after some big argument, it finally took, I believe, a judge's order to allow Mr. Fort to even make up his own mind whether or not he would remove himself and allow himself to be dropped from the charges. And I am guaranteeing you that Mr. Abbott ran up and billed Leon Ford for all the times he tried that afternoon in our presence. And once again, Gene Dixon is not here. And that aggravates me, except he's off playing with his son, who's off for and I'm very happy that he can spend some time with Chris. But we've got to get through this garbage, people, so we can move on with something important.

That afternoon he tried at least five times from Carson City, actually from Minden, while everybody waited after the attorneys had cancelled Leon off of the case because it was obviously going nowhere. Nobody was ever out to hurt Leon. Ever. Leon goes about those terrible Ecker Ecker Phoenix people. Leon came here because of George Green, did whatever he did because of George Green. Then he tried to get his money out in gold when he didn't have any money in. It turned out it is a corporation We try every way we can to protect you and the corporation names. Now I'm going to go through a little scenario. God will attest to this, so will John Schreffer. When problems started, I don't know what happened and certainly Ecker, Ecker's don't know what happened.

We just know that toward evening, one evening, someone called from Florida and said George Green had been on the phone and she had agonized over this for a day and a half. That George Green had just said that a car full of people just pulled out of his driveway and they were coming back to Tashpee to pull down the Institute. And I'm going to warn you about it because we have loaned the Institute some money and this seems highly irregular to us. And this party went on to suggest that Mr. Green had started some development operations and he was wanting some funding. Only he wanted to handle gold. Now, we'll just leave that conversation set. So you start trying to figure out what in the deuce are we dealing with here because Mr. Green at that moment was a member of the Phoenix Institute Board of Directors and an officer actually was signing privileges on the check account at San Juan Bank right here in Tehachapi. Now any of you when I misspeak, you get up because I am doing this. Because for goodness sakes, Dorma never gets a hearing. The next for repayment. Not for sums loaned, but everything withdrawn in gold, stressed in gold. Leon had put the note together, but Bud had signed it, Leon had signed it. The response was, you can't do this. The Phoenix Institute is a corporation in good standing. You do not personally have anything in the Institute, so you have to do the paperwork properly. Well, by now the entire thing is falling apart because George Green has suggested that all of them go over to Jason Brent.

And I believe that Eleanor and John even got that far. And Jason wasn't in or something. Anyway, John decided that he and Eleanor would withdraw from that. John said, I'm not sure what happened. Leon, and he said this in a meeting with 40 people. John said, I don't know what that was about, but Leon called and wanted to go up there that George had called him and I don't know what he wanted, but he wanted gold and he wanted to do a development and he wanted money for it. But Leon says that Eleanor called him. Well, the ones of you who went, nobody cares that you went. That is possibly a very responsible thing to do. But I am appalled that everybody somehow came back and started making these demands on something that George Green had set up in the first place. Everybody involved had come here because of George Green, not Ecker Ecker. And I no longer even began to think that it was Hatton, quite frankly.

Don't sell me on, well, it was your fault, big boy. I have not changed one iota since the day I started riding with Dorma. And anybody who wants to quarrel with that, I will be happy to discuss it in public so that all the backbiting stops. I have not changed one iota. I have not gone anywhere. I do not speak through Dugga. My name is not spelled H-A-T-T-O-N or H-A-T-O-O-N. My name is Hatton Aton, Yorgos Seris. I am of the host of God. I work with the one you call Astar. But now this goes on year after year after year and if there were $250 million dollars sitting here, there is nothing legally can be done than that now. Leon not only was the involved or at least the signatory party on any note that might be with the Phoenix Institute, but they went to court and Paul, we'll leave undone because he's not here and it's not important who he is with one exception. Mr. Abbott sends out, he sues everybody, including John Schrafer.

Only he didn't even do a good job with John Schrafer. He listed John Schrafer as one of the ones making the complaint. And Eleanor was no longer even remotely his conservator. So that has required another series of documents. But on these documents that were served all over 2 acres everywhere around. Leon drove Paul on the back page. It said, I swear under penalty of perjury, I have no interest in this corporation or in this case. What the hell are you talking about? The man is president of Leon's corporation. And yet it's Ecker, Ecker, Phoenix, Ecker, Ecker, Phoenix. It will go all the way through here.

It is copies of documents, comes you know with no cover letter, but from Bozeman, Montana here in great big letters. Brent was served, I don't know if Rick was served, and here again they wrote to the Bar Association, why have we been served? Mr. Abbott called, totally intoxicated one day and threatened both of them. And Mr. Morsehead wrote back and to the Bar Association and said, I have absolutely nothing to do with anything. And so I would like for all of you to be able to enjoy Mr. Abbott's rebuttal to the Bar Association. Now, once again, Gene Dixon, the same day that Ecker filed no suit. Mr. Abbott continues, the Ecker, Ecker, Ecker, Phoenix, Ecker, brief, Ecker, Ecker's don't have one damn thing to do with it. The Phoenix Institute filed.

regardless of what they would like to say. It is a good standing corporation, basically under very good management with a superb board of directors who are not going to break the I want to finish this from George Green. Why don't you have coffee with Leon to get his side of the story? Well, that's up to Charles. I thought maybe we could do it right here. Desiree and I are sorry that this has gone on, but we know who is represented with the Ecker, Ecker situation. What price their souls? Oh baby, talk about souls in good condition. In the operator owner manual, now get this, this was written by Desiree, remember?

The first rule is to gain all knowledge, so suggest you get the other side so you can be responsible for your knowledge and understanding. How do you get the other side? We've got documents and documents. Only you know what? There isn't any other side, is there? We can get threats, we can be abused, we can be lied about. Our only quote threat or rebuttal is, hey man, we're going to tell the truth. When you start telling the damn truth, maybe we can work with you or something. Nora has copies of the Ecker's depositions. And she knows and was in the court. What do you know, Nora? I'm sure that, I mean, they have put these... Well, right now I'm drawing a blank.

This is the first time I've heard of this correspondence. I suppose I have read the depositions. It's been some time ago, though. Do these numbers, someone hand these back there to Nora, look familiar to you? Those are George and Desiree's response to all of the three quarters of a million dollars they put in. Oh yes, this looks familiar to me. Well, I wonder if you tell everybody in this room what you know, I believe you did the calculations and said, Oh my gosh, this is the most creative financing I've ever read. Yes, this document is a summary of their accounts for 92-93 America West before they went to Nevada and they used this to tell the court how much money they had spent on the project. I think at that point it was something like $400,000 they were claiming that they were in the hole because of the Phoenix project and this proved it.

The problem with this, they listed in the Phoenix journals and showed all the expenses for everything as a Phoenix project expense and the Phoenix newspaper expense, but the problem, one of the major problems I found with it was that when they purchased an inventory of journals, they showed that inventory cost in the month that they did the purchasing and that they didn't show it as an asset but as a liability, as an expense. So that all of their inventory purchase was shown as an expense and this was part of what they were charging to the Phoenix project, as they called it. So that, I think at the time, this Grant, somebody, made a deposition to the effect that they had about 160,000 volumes in storage in Bozeman, Montana. And he was saying that each volume costs about $3. Well, we know that they didn't cost that much, all of them, some of them did, but some of the volumes that they purchased that were not Phoenix journals cost more probably.

In any event, if you just take the hundred and sixty thousand volumes that he listed and multiply that by three dollars per book, he would have four hundred and eighty thousand dollars worth of inventory alone and he was saying that he went in the hole for a hundred thousand dollars in the Phoenix project as a result of all the book expenses on. So his bookkeeping was so fraudulent. Yes and they have used this, they have used this presented it to the court saying oh yes we've got all the computer records, we've got, we did everything, we put it all on the line there and you could just see, you know, what we've done. But no one's really gone through and taken a good look at it yet. All the attorneys, in my opinion, I'm sorry, are trying to get over the case without ever really looking into the case. No, they're trying never to end the case because they are the only ones getting money. And George's are not getting money.

He promised them the money out of Dave Overton's gold. There are a number of other things that are wrong with this account sheet, but I don't remember exactly everything, but that's major. Well, that's enough. Is that enough? Yeah, that's enough. Can I make a brief comment? I don't know if it's your turn. I'm like Judge Ito. Let's all listen to what our little friend Clark said one day. Shouldn't we be after, this was after Judge Ito asked some questions and she says, wouldn't even need a jury.

And you would have thought, well, okay, that went by months ago. Within the last two weeks nearing closing argument, Judge Ito finally had to express a question for these attorneys that couldn't quite word it right. And he's restless. He wants to get on with this and he said. I think we should be under the Talmudic law and then the judge asked all the questions. Now you guys better check into what the Talmudic law is. You already are under it so I guess we shouldn't so I guess I'll give you leave to say something. Thank you, your honor. Just don't forget it.

Just a brief sort of an analogy of what George has done with his creative finance or creative accounting. For instance, if General Motors makes 100 cars, and if they were to take the cost for making all those cars and just write it off as an expense, that's basically what George has done. Not accounting that those cars are all worth something in saleable items, just as the books are an asset in a saleable item. And what you do is once that is sold, the cost of making that item is deducted as a cost of goods sold from the total purchase price and then what you have in between is the profit, gross profit. So for those of you who need an example, that's exactly what George has done, is try and expense every dime he paid for the books as if there's no asset, no inventory, which is totally fraudulent and could easily be understood by any first year accounting student as such. So just wanted to throw that in.

Thank you. Would even judges understand that? Even a judge could understand that. I'm a lawyer. Okay. I don't know about lawyers. Well, we'll go a little bit further. Now, we'll get to him in just a minute. Let us talk about notes. We'll consider that Charles just had a little bit, half of his cup of coffee with, you know.

In response to one of the last, and I'm sure it was one of the tapes, but these things get also into the paper, and I mean them when I say them. And I think I made a suggestion that Mr. Abbott didn't just drink, Mr. Abbott is a drunk. Now he has been disciplined by the state bar. He has been ordered not to drink during office hours any time by the bar of Nevada for filing frivolous, unreasonable, stupid, crazy lawsuits. And this costs people. He is going to have to, at one of these moments, confront Rod McBroom. Rod McBroom. And I have been privy, and so have all of you. And Gene Dixon has gone carefully through the files regarding John Schrafer and it appears that Mr. Abbott kept getting another $2,500, another $2,500, now about $5,000 from Rod McBroom. And Rod McBroom was paying that out of John's money. I thought you might find it interesting, Mr. Shriker. But while I'm at it, John, we're going to need to make some changes, I'm sure. Patrice has just about paid her penalty of prison time, and John is pretty sure he's paid his.

But we have to look at what is. John left a place in Sacramento, and I'm telling you, not 20 minutes too soon. The plan that unfolded that was against John was that his son would come up there and and they were expecting his son. They were expecting his son. So I would assume that's what happened. The plan was to come in and get John and that would be the last anybody would ever see of him because Gene had gone to visit with Chris. And everybody at that Cape Cod or whatever place knew it. John lives there and from Bakersfield. Brent was with Rick, I believe, went in at John's request to pick him up. Terry, he has a nephew who cares about him and lives in Bakersfield. Well, what are you going to do? The man has no identification on him. He's waiting there. He cannot get his, his nephew is not home. And he gets in touch with the only ones he knows. What is Rick going to do?

If nothing else, out of respect, he's going to go get John. judge, you know, saying, kidnapper. Well, I believe that everybody in this room has heard John say, if things don't get squared away, I'm going to run away again. Does everybody hear me? Well, I have this to say to John, you run away again, don't call us, we'll call you. The ones here who formed Friends of John and finally, finally have managed to get him free and he is in a lovely apartment and Patricia goes over and does her best to attend. She has taken on a big responsibility because she thinks that she can revamp John. She tries to be responsible. He needs to lose weight and she's going to try to not let him overeat and things like this. And if he makes a mess he expects her to clean it up. The only problem with this is that Patricia has refused to take monetary pay against the day that John will get some of his money. That has been very nice for the conservator. Patricia, listen to me. I said all along, it's got to be a or it is not a business.

So your willingness to give and to share, whatever your reasons may be, those are none of our business. But that should be worked out with a conservator so that at least those funds are set aside or full accounting is made. And I hear you and I know that you said if we can't do something better by the end of May I'm out of here. Those were the words. Meaning I don't think I can do this longer. Well we are into the middle of July. So Patricia has obviously stuck it out.

John has obviously stuck it out. But I believe that it's time to have a business relationship. If John is going to be there and needs care, he should pay for it. Well, okay. The next thing is, is how does he pay for it when his estate is still tangled up? No matter what that judge says to Mr. Gooden, get the car, get this, get this, get this back to him. It doesn't happen. The fact that John can't drive yet, nobody knows whether John can drive or not. That's one thing. But certainly Patricia or someone else could drive his car with him in it. I don't believe there's with his riding. And knowing John, if that Mercedes was sitting outside his door, he'd be sitting out there looking at it or in it. They've taken everything, do you understand?

So he gets desperate. When are you going to get something done, John. And that is when enough pressure is put on the conservator and that damn lawyer to get something done. And how do you do that? You start paying the people who come to help you. And you pay them maybe double. And you just I like that picture. Okay. You...