or whatever meters, a short distance outside the bubble shield is the fault line itself, the Garlock's fault, and that's what was hit last Sunday. And the entire scenario was simply that it was not to have gone to a 4 while they shored up. And if our craft are out here shoring up that fault so that you did not have more than a 3.7 or 4, and we were able to contain it without ongoing abrupt shifting. If you had done what you did with the first impact for 30 seconds, you would have had serious damage even with a 4. So my instructions are not to allow it to go over a 3.7, but it meant immediate engagement of the laser system to block it on either end. Now you're getting ready for some very, very large shakers. And the Garlak fault, because of the way it runs and intersects with San Andreas, is the best trigger fault for the San Andreas. as the phone line goes here between you and Mojave. It goes around and then it goes up through the valley and over to Gorman. And then it runs pretty much through that very busy freeway area. And it will intersect with San Andreas. Now I assume that most of you know that as you hit the San Andreas, these intelligent scientific minds have put that fault line to use. They have lake hues, many lakes, reservoirs, right on the fault line. It was easy digging, I guess. you're going to be able to expect a minimum, get this, a minimum 18 foot shift down near San Bernardino. Do you know how far apart that is going to put major gas lines? 18 feet. And on the far side, there will be no lights, no power, no gas, and no water. On the upside, before they can get those gas lines shut off, it will dump thousands of pounds of gas into the valley. When that is ignited, San Bernardino will go like an atomic bomb. That ain't going to happen to you. And we've got the Garlock Fault segmented. It can break on one side and then the ground shift will allow the passage of the energy and then it can pick up on another side and it can go its way, just like a zipper. But we're going to hold this segment over here between you and Mojave. It's just on the outside edge of the bubble. And that's strictly for stability. We're not going to let the crystal go. We'll lift her off if we have to. That's going to take in six miles approximately around the crystal. And that'll get quite a few of you. The rest of you will be stabilized to the best of our ability. That does not mean we can pull it off. The energy that is going to be released when all of these Earth shifts begin to be recognized for what they are detonating in the Pacific. And each one thrusts, and it thrusts harder. And then when you get your results in the other portion of the ring of fire, you are also going to get all of this side activity. And you can see what will happen if liquefaction occurs to the point that I foresee that it will, if you have a very long hard shaking, it will just liquefy the earth. And most of the coastline, for instance under your airfields, and especially in the San Francisco area, well actually the Los Angeles area too, the major airports are are built out there on fill. And they're going to go down. When you talk about earth liquefaction, you are talking about something that becomes liquid. You may not pick it up and it's liquid, but I'm telling you, it is liquid. And that loud sucking sound you hear is not NAFTA. It's going to be the edge of that coastline sucking under as that Pacific plate shoves up and just curls under. This area should rise. So we will keep an eye on you. Don't go around smugly thinking that it's to hell with it. There aren't any guarantees in this game. The only guarantee that you have is your attachment to God, and if you hold strong enough to that attachment, nothing will happen to you that you do not ordain. Now, how do you get to that point? Well, you don't get there by hanging on to the coattails of little crow, I can promise you, because we're going to fly. And you better have gained some wing power if you want to go along. Oh, but you teach fear and horror and terror. Well, what in the world is the matter with you? My goodness, what does it take for you to get concerned? I can certainly understand your willingness to be and to accept what God sees fit to allow it to happen, because most of you have progressed to the point where you do pray for your brother. But some of you, including Dorma, often puts it like this, I know little Crow is praying for me and I'll pray for him and then we'll both win. But maybe that's not such a bad plan. She is extremely concerned about little Crow and you ones over on the coast. But you see you will be exactly where you're supposed to be and you don't have to go down even if you're in the middle of it. Don't you remember there are passages out of that Holy Bible that you better listen to. There will be two in the fields and one will be taken and one will be left. Just make sure you're the one that's taken. You can see it building in the motion picture industry. You can see it building on the screens of your little video boxes. Aliens are coming. Aliens are here. Doesn't say anything about God's hosts at that level, but the ones in the know, know. Now you're getting ready again to get very, very nervous. Mr. Graham is going to do his worldwide thing that he couldn't do up properly in April, and he's going to send out all these tapes to him to unto all the churches all over the world to show their congregation. I don't know exactly the date that the crusades are planned. But then they will be made available for all churches for all to see. And that will be required teaching in your one world church order. Don't misread the information we're bringing. I'm trying to keep it to other authors so that I'm not the one preaching fear to you, but truth and facts. and have it a workable, structured, controlled environment by year 2000, which is the plan, you've only got less than four years. And you can see what they're doing in Washington to buy time and bring you under control. dealing with, how can I put this, when you are dealing with a bureaucracy, you don't ever get anything done anyway. It's sort of like the legal process. You go in and you, people don't even need to be there, you see, because the attorneys go back into the sanctuary with God. And then they do their little prattering. And then they come out. The judge already has his predetermined ruling from the day before. He doesn't even have to entertain your discussions. That is a real guard dog. Sounds like there's a dog in the room. Now, I got farther, but that was as much as anything a display for you. You go for a long, long time without very much confirmation. And if you understand the electromagnetic systems, you'll understand better what I mean when I said you do not have the capability on your place to make, to shroud, to shroud ships. And I don't know how many of you thought the moon was interesting that night. or the luminescence of the cracked cloud itself. Just love it, love us, we love you. And let's just keep plucking. Now what do you want to do? Do you want to read, BJ, what we wrote yesterday? All right, and then maybe we can just go wild. I will tell on Dharma. At 3 o'clock this morning, she rouses up and she's concerned about the cakes. You know how the brain works when you are under stress. And she said something to the effect, well, it's Jean's birthday and we get down here and look, there are no cake cutters, there are no plates, there are, you know, all of these things. And then E.J. had a very typical answer, let her meet Brad. So she woke up in a really rotten mood. And he's been eating crow. You see, it's gotten so bad and so many things are happening that I can't keep track of them. I, too, have to ask God where we are. So E.J., would you catch us up? Yes, sir. This writing is from Saturday, January 6, 1996. And for those of you who missed the date on this tape, I'll tell you that it's Sunday, January the 7th, 1996. Each day. Thus does the world forget thee, its creator, and falls in love with what thou hast created instead of with thee. Saint Augustine. First up this morning I am going to take time to personally bend my knee to the long and loving service of our friend Dave Overton. Will the courts actually return the gold thieved by George Green unto him? Well, the Supreme Court of Nevada has ruled, finally, that the gold shall be handled according to the lower court ruling of being returned to Dave. Dave, it is a good day, friend. The and the Institute attorney did a splendid job and the facts spoke for themselves. In the ruling, as set forth for all of you who will read nasty and silly quips from the Associated Press writings scattered about your land by the bootlackey of George Abbott, attorney at lie, let me assure you that it is exactly that, silly nonsense. Because I don't want to take time here, and a thing is best read for self rather than in interpretation by another, I ask that all possible items be simply put to press, as are, in contact. Norma's heart is full this day as gratitude is offered for both a job well done by Gene Dixon via Brad Ely, both backed by the tireless work of Karen White. I want accolades to go where they belong, to the endless attention of ones who always cared more for day than for any piece of gold in the universe. That's fine. Let's hear it. Applause Yes, there can be further quarrel that within the hearts of all here, the victory is one of God's within a system that has no justice, no intent of justice, and scorns God at every speaking. George Green, et al., was soundly put down as a liar by that high court in oral hearing. Now the papers say in headlines, Tehachapi group will not keep gold, headed by Dorison E. J. Ecker. B. S. There is no group, silly and childish Brendan Riley of the AP. You got your hands swatted for your dirty yellow journalism, and now you struggle back in conjunction with other attorneys, now to bring down the Ecker Records. I think now for Mr. Horn, puts all this garbage into his case about this house, long ago sold by RTC and now it becomes a case of throw in everything to do with publicity. Thank you, thank you, thank you. The Institute never saw, heard of, nor expected gold from Dave Overton and Green was caught with the loot buried in his backyard. The paper states that he turned over the gold to the court. No, he was ordered by law to bring the gold to the court or else. There will be a waiting period before final mocking of the courts is finished by Green and Horton, but I would hope that the Nevada courts are sick enough of this trashing to hold. Dave is failing in his nursing home where nothing can be brought to shore up his health, but we have beautiful friends who attend him often in visitation and this will brighten his life immensely. He has continually stated that he failed God through bad management. No, Dave, you served a nation by bringing focus to the terrible state of affairs of a system and thieves gone berserk. The court ruled that the commodity was intercepted and your gift never handled properly nor terminated according to your gift instructions and therefore, by upholding the lower court ruling, the commodity will be returned to the sender. Of course, realize it has taken years and floods of tears to accomplish this one act of justice. There is no thing too small, readers who feel pain at the expressions of silly nonsense. I hope the contact runs pictures of our ships on the day that ruling came down. It was impossible to miss the show, and even the papers featured front-page pictures of magnificent ships which, quote, remained stationary for hours in gale force winds. What more do you need, little ones? Let the tweaks chatter and print what they will. They seal their own fate, and what have you to lose if you have gained God unto your support system? These people will fall of their own doing and at the hands of their own considered allies. What do I mean? Well, let us consider what has just been compelled by the court in Bakersfield regarding the property case ongoing because there was no sale. The point at issue has so long ago been avoided as to be a cartoon characterization and depiction of out-of-control legal farce. to do interrogatories, demanding an outlay of ownership, participation, etc. In every corporation they ever so much as touched. Well they only served as pass-through incorporating agents, and ownership is not known, except for a few at issue, and I find that the ones who will now pay the piper are the ones who have brought damages against the Institute and Ecker Ecker. If owners are known, they must be turned over to the court. Now how beautiful that the laws of Nevada shelter the people and the agent for these are, for there are no owners required, no requirement for stock issuance, and no law is to be allowed to force that which is unknown. I must tell you in addition that all records of all attorneys involved with that corrector must have all records of billings presented to the opposing counsel, Mr. Horn. Terrible? I don't think so. For every ill-intended fee grab is outlined right there for Mr. Horn to pick over the bones. Mr. Tips is in a blind fury, for we insist that it be presented as is, without redaction of those parts they don't want known. The only thing we, ourselves, will allow is redaction of private card and phone numbers. This is going to show that, for instance, Eckers were charged $150 an hour for backup help from Mr. Mortimer when Mr. Mortimer only received $40 for his services. This goes on for hundreds of thousands of dollars, so Dharma should not weep over this turn of events. Child, get your champagne! When others quit or were fired from the case, they continued to bill outrageously, and not only will the court know as much, but their dedicated enemy will know as much. You are going to find that there is even a percentage paid by Mr. Gross to Attorney Tips for gaining the case. It was fully half is going to be deemed unnecessary billing by the judges. Mr. Gross and Mr. Tips fully planned to charge $275 an hour to personally sit and redact all unwanted showings. No thank you. This last show in court which demanded all these things be supplied will be supplied. Further, those corporations and parties who had corporations and are suing Ecker Ecker Phoenix, or whatever silly nonsense abounds, will be revealed in a court of law. To this day they have been protected, but they will be found in contempt and jailed. So, Mr. Fort, who has now again joined with George Abbott, we are sorry, but the court is ordering your information known, and it will show absolute integrity on the part of both Ecker Ecker Phoenix. Further, every name mentioned with unreasonable and erroneous amounts as to corporations sent forth publicly by George Green will be investigated thoroughly. The facts are that they already have been, and in association with the Institute, have passed FBI inspection. Green has publicly listed your name or corporation. Beware, the hounds are running. There will be no revealing of private information otherwise. Before that would happen, the case would be dismissed. Dorma says, so what? I've been found in contempt because of George Green's own actions before, so what's the big deal? I don't have anything, so bring on the judgments. After you have been financially destroyed by the liars, there isn't anything else they can do with any get-more activities. In fact, now one attorney has to go fight his benefactor to get the fees taken when the bank account was stripped at Christmas time. That should be an interesting few days of encounter by Mr. Tips and Mr. Methvin. George Green always said they both worked directly for him, so be it. He also said Gene Dixon worked with him. Unfortunately for George, that is not so. So good luck, Mr. Dixon is going to win these cases and you are going down to face your malicious actions. Indeed, Dharma, the heart will heal as the brain engages truth of what is happening here at what they think is nasty doings unto you. I suggest, in addition, E.J., that you find a way to cause Mr. Gross to pay the sanction money because it was they who did not want this information brought and tips dependent on growth to not allow this to happen. Now a word to BJ. Open nine eyes, brother. The rest of your life and invention production will be hell for you if you continue associations as are now staged. We can perfect your work when you solve these limitation problems. When money is the goal, even the goose who lays the eggs is going to be destroyed in the grasping and clawing to get everything. I suggest that all of you who have been named by the opposition here consider actions, for until the rats are brought forth from their baseboard hiding places you will never have a minute free of these distractions. Mr. Green has made public the business private of Sherry Yont, Betty Tootin's Leon Fort, and Ann Beam, Eleanor Shreffer and John, Bud Clark, Paul Berger, Dale Sutton, Rod Anson, Patricia, Father Cleary, Sims, etc. And they don't have any connections, the Perry family, and they don't have any interests, and on and on and on. He has also made public all assumed dealings with anyone who worked with them or even remotely is attached to them. This also means that even the $40,000 taken by J.D. Abbott from Leon's Holdings will be brought for inspection before the courts in California. You can directly thank Mr. Tips, George Abbott, George Green and associates for your new association with Mr. Horn. Oh, and by the way, all encounters and arguments over cases and associations of George Green, Desiree Green, America West publishers, America West distributors and bankrupt Tehachapi distributors will be laid bare on the altar of the California bench. You people made your bed, blamed others for your lack of good reasoning judgment, and now you have foisted off onto others your very soul directions. Ecker Ecker Phoenix now has all the separation necessary by the cute little inclusion of Ecker Ecker, I suggest you make it so, and then I may let you have a day off. How about next weekend? Well, we've got two more pages to go. Jean, John needs paperwork for his protection immediately. Let him file his personal counter-motion against Abbott and crew. I repeat immediately, he has been patient for so long after actually having those people try to take his life, literally. He is capable of handling himself in court now, so let him do what he insists upon doing, and don't wait long before he needs his rightful property and this evil oppression off his back. I believe Mr. Ellie will find himself quite busy and well-rewarded, especially as motion pictures get underway, honor will pay after all is said and done. Will all this be worth a decade of hell? Yes, for at some point some modicum of justice must be found, at the least for a Dave Overton and a John Shrapfer. I am sorry about those who caused the selling, taking of gold within banks as collateral for covering of calls. We tried everything available to get you people to do your proper thing, and you denied and refused. It is gone as to collateral, and George Green and Abbott just made another plea to the Nevada courts to place the Institute into receivership. If that happens, people, you who have worked so diligently to have that very thing happen will lose it all, for the Institute itself has only debt. George Green has certainly done you beautiful people no service. And Leon, this will absolutely strip your account. Your loyalty to George Green and Abbott is indeed expensive, for George Green claimed you as one of his boys. You have loyalty to these people? Well, son, they have no loyalty to you. Nobody here did any business with your 90-year-old mother or with you except as through your corporation. So for Abbott to say that Acker Ecker took funds from your 90-year-old mother is ludicrous at the least, foolish at best. Do you actually think such garbage methods of foolishness would sell to General Motors while one corporation, large or small, has the same protections under the laws? This, readers, is the final major testing of the shelter for privacy by Nevada corporations, and it holds unless you choose otherwise with your own corporations. If you can't be willing to learn the laws, you will fall on your face, for you bring the IRS and law to your door for investigation, to be rightfully so. In your ego attempt to destroy someone else, you buy into the dragon's fire pit. Truth is going to be brought forth and my faithful workers will be attended. Do not prejudge how God works, his wonders, or how long it may take. Stand in truth and honor and it shall be served. We stand in full recognition of the fact that those who have brought the law against us to glean all the assets, have nothing here for you have chosen to remove cells and assets from any kind of our sheltering services. It is as to now spit against the wind. You who have so publicly stated over and over and over again and then removed your assets by edict from the Institute stand empty and you can bow your knees for saying unto your gods, Abbott, Green, and Horton. George Green was your mentor, a director in the Institute, and you have let him try to steal, mangle, and destroy your very selves while you aid and abet him at all costs under every circumstance. But once again, I repeat, you make your own choices. Some of you people are elderly now, and I don't know how you can recover from him, and perhaps that is what you have wished for all along, to finally lose instead of see truth. We fight to the end for one of our friends, such as Dave Overton. We certainly will not struggle for your gain when you have brought legal actions against us for serving you well and with integrity. So where does this leave ones such as B.T. and S.Y.? Well, S.Y. just had B.T. pick up all her books and corporation papers from the agent and severed all ties, with abrupt and rude demands of no debate on the matter. I find it hard to believe that otherwise intelligent people can so carelessly sever their own noses to get even with their faces for doing them a favor of holding the nose. I am sure the court and Mr. Horn will be attending you shortly for your books. You then will be wondering what has your book to do with the fact that an auctioneer did not hold a house sale in Drury Bakersfield, California. The answer, it doesn't. But you must have long ago learned that if the system has no reason or honor longer instilled within its black halls and robes, I think you will also begin to see what God means when it is said that many come, but few are chosen, and of those chosen, few remain long enough to be counted among his own. When things enter the picture, they seem to win over most of the people almost all of the time. When attorneys fight with fists over the confiscation of a bank account, holding nothing but Social security checks, it is a sad day, and therefore you now have a very sad day indeed. And to you who have been so kind and loving through this seemingly painful time for my scribe, I bow unto you, for there is little joy or happiness while these things are battering the very being. However, behold, for we hold strong and true, and yet there is peace in the valley, sheltered by his hand. After all, readers, they crucified the Christ, sent to bring you this very message of truth. Can you, however, continue to bear losing friends? I can only respond, they were never your friends. By the way, Contact is described by the Associated Press as an anti-government apocalyptic paper. No, that is not so. We are simply for truth in government, and we outlay what is already before you. If you interpret that as being anti-anything or catastrophic in presentation, so be it, for only those who would attend such warnings are all we wish to reach anyway. I have no wish to have the others aboard. But why do we continue to write about these rather personal or limited subjects and happenings? Because you are the ones we promised to keep informed and we did not begin nor continue to have an international sensation rag-team from the beginning. These are the things of importance. Next I suggest that you who have considered the possibility of participation in some form of asset protection consider both the Institute and certainly at your earliest convenience consider getting in touch with the corporate headquarters and find out about Nevada corporations. Unless you choose to disclose your own information, nobody else will. This point has now withstood the hardest investigations and microscopic proving. And no, I don't suggest you go to just any old agent. Go to one now proven for integrity, and yes, there are only a couple or so, but they are available to you. I certainly do not suggest you go use George Green's, Megan's, and or Mary Ann's. Oh indeed, George Green does have an incorporation corporation. George Green simply has no moral integrity on any subject or action. I suppose the Institute will have to recertify, as the receivership assaults have been painfully difficult to overcome, but it will be done, and when it is finished, it will be carved in stone instead of the sawdust of evildoers who take, deceive, secrete, and steal. You who join with those who have brought about these things, you are welcome to your choices, for we can do no more than offer. If you have chosen bad advisories, let it be your doing, not else's. Let us take leave this now, for we need to move on with our other appointed tasks. I repeat to you of our friendship circles that it is indeed a good day and a day when justice blinks open at least one twittering eye, an instant in truth. Blessings rest upon the ones who diligently work to make this small token of justice possible. Thank you. Salute. I mean it. I salute you. After you're beaten down for so long, and you struggle to make one more attempt, it's incredibly hard on the system. Why struggle one more time? And then I must remind you, when you have George Adlet, for instance, doing these foolish things, and you say, well, I just don't understand what he's doing, or why he's doing it. It's like the fox and the rabbit. Let's call you the fox this time. You're running for your supper now, because you've already had your lunch. So you're running for your supper, and the rabbit is still running for his life. And this will be the end of reputation, standing, everything. These are desperate people in desperate times, struggling to hold on to what they have. And instead of doing it right, they're going to just try to the bitter end to destroy you. That's just the way of it. So let's just remember they're running for their lives, and when ones are running for their lives without anything but helter-skelter activities and desperation, they will make errors. And we're reaching the point where we will act in wisdom. And we're going to win. Thank you. Let's have cake. We have a legal system that is a laughing stock. Ambulance chasing blood sucking attorneys. They want to twist the system to extort money out of the system. What is it about lawyers that makes people so mad? We have lawyers running the system. That's why we're out of control. Running the system and making the money. You got this. Damn right. How much? 300 million? No more than that. They're changing your life. What you can buy and what you can't buy. You can give me half of that. And how do some divorce lawyers choose their clients? You can afford me that. When they're paid by the hour, the bills can really add up. The money that supports the so-called divorce cuts are being eaten up by legal enemies. How about people who sue at the drop of a hat. Does anyone see how ridiculous it is to walk down the street and have to whisper because you're walking in front of a lady that sues everyone? And why do so many cases take so long? You can keep the process going 24 hours a day for three or four years and then maybe the client will run out of money and won't be able to continue to litigate. And then there's John Stossel's own day in court. The John Stossel. The news reporter. Is it justice or warfare? Where you need the best hired gun to win. It's astonishing what we've sunk to here. If you think there are too many lawyers making too much money off too many lawsuits, this program is for you. The Trouble with Lawyers with John Stossel. Good evening. Thank goodness we have lawyers. Just as America needs an army to defend our freedoms, we individuals need lawyers to defend our rights. But how much defense can we afford? Like armies, lawyers can be horribly destructive, harmful to innovations, to our goodwill toward one another, our freedom to make choices. I haven't even mentioned what they cost. Judge Learned Hand compared litigation to sickness and death, something to be avoided. We try to avoid using our army, but American laws encourage us to use armies of lawyers to solve problems. Is that a good thing? Some say lawyers create more problems. What's not in doubt is that some lawyers are getting very rich. Forbes recently published a list of the highest earners. In just one year, some made 10, 20, 40 million dollars. Hello, Stephanie. But successful as they are, none comes close to the man at the top of the list. Houston's Joe Jemail. I'm about to come over and kick your ass. Jemail's a brilliant lawyer. He wins because he fights hard. Damn crazy, demented idiot. Because he's smart and persistent. The lady does not want an annuity. She wants her money all up front in cash. And because he's just good at relating to all kinds of people, from presidents... George Bush is an old friend. Good morning, General....to the guy who parks his car in the morning. I want you to keep them damn cars out of my slot. He has a down-to-earth manner people just like. How are you? I'm good, how are you doing? And according to Forbes, in 1994 alone, judges and juries liked him enough to earn him $90 million. How does he do it? How do you think I got it? Do you think Callum had anything to do with it? His critics say it's because he buys influence, giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to politicians and judges' political campaigns. In Texas, that's legal. This is where I'm really at home. Still, other lawyers give judges money, and they aren't as successful as Jamele. Jamele's rich because he's just good. A few years ago, Jamele filed a huge suit against Texaco, claiming Texaco had interfered with his client's contract to buy a business. Now, many people believe that Texaco had done a good thing, offering more money for the business. But the jury bought Jameel's version. They could think. They could count. Anyway, I think they liked me. The jury ordered Texaco to pay $11 billion. $11 billion, $120 million, $976 million. The company declared bankruptcy. But you got that. You're damn right. How much? Plenty. Not enough for what I do. 300 million? More than that. He's worth it, he says, because he fights hard. Once he thought an opponent had gotten out of line. And I nailed him. What'd you do? I hit him in the mouth, knocked him down in the corner and tried to kick his brains out. This is the kind of lawyer people should want. What, do you want some **** that's going to sit back and let you get killed by some guy that's just absolutely abusive and insulting? No, I'd rather have Jamele on my side. But what happens to America when lots of people pay hired guns like him? Who pays the tab? This money comes involuntarily from people. This has been taken away from people in what amounts to a racket. Yale law professor John Langbein points out that the money Jamele makes comes from someone, and that someone is you. Companies add the cost of their lawsuit insurance to the price of their products. Every football helmet costs $100 more because of lawsuits. Cars cost $500 more. Pacemakers, $3,000 more. Even haircuts cost more, because hairdressers now buy lawsuit insurance in case someone has a bad hair day. Millions of your tax dollars go to pay for those slip and fall accidents. New York City alone last year paid more than $200 million. That doesn't begin to fully capture the amount of harm. The real harm, he says, is in all the good things we don't get to have. This hip replacement. Carol Kornblum has one, and it's changed her life. I'm with my grandchildren. Did you have a good day today? I can play basketball with them. I go into the city with them. It's like a new life. She wants to replace her other hip, but the plastic used in the joint was taken off the market. Not because it's unsafe, it isn't, but because the supplier thought he might be sued anyway. Vaccine producers have been sued a lot. Now it's true, some kids get terribly sick after vaccinations. But in any group of millions of kids, some will be sick. Was vaccine the cause? Scientists say that's rarely the case and the FDA had approved the vaccine. But that doesn't matter. A persuasive tort lawyer isn't even an injury lawyer. A tort lawyer just has to convince one jury. Then other lawyers sue. That company says, look we're going to get sued no matter what we do by some tort lawyer who will cry to a jury and say, look at this pathetic person who got sick from this vaccine.