A few of you in this room right now will remember she came here with somebody named Kip and she said it then to quite a few people. She got on the outs with her traveling companion Kip while she was here. But today is the day that I'm going to speak on this matter of those gold coins and things. I had asked that some things be done. I got the big argument. I had asked specifically that something be done without pulling Gene Dixon into it. I specifically said, don't run anything past the Law Center in this. I'm not asking you to ask about it. I'm telling you to please do it immediately. I had a reason for having to do it that day. Because the next morning, precious friends, Dave Overton And we haven't even been able to share this with you people for over two weeks because there needed to be some other legal things done in Nevada in that court prior to the finding out. Things are being handled for Dave Overton in Texas and they are incapable hands. But you see some of the things that I had asked to be done didn't get done and the papers didn't get signed and I said in this very room on that very Sunday afternoon, that I cannot keep Dave much longer.

He wanted to come home. He has come home and he's with me right now. And everybody wondered what would happen to Dave, including Dave. In Nevada, he asked me for a ride, and I said, you'll be one of the first from the boat, and he walked. The minute he got permission to leave his post he came home. But you see he's not down there now to cover those things that had to be covered before this man left your physical world. And now let me tell you it is a real bitch trying Trying to get it cleared up while they argue in the Supreme Court, N.M. Judge, Gamble Court. And you're going to find that those final instructions were finally carried through and they will make the difference in what happens to this man's property.

I ask that several of you file some improper actions. Why would I do that? To stop the statute of limitations from expiring. Oh no, these kinds of things never expire. These are criminal actions. Come on, lawyers. code, maybe it doesn't expire. Civil code, these things expire. And you are on the cusp. Some of the most serious miscarriages of law from the common law service center and the secretary. And when all this hit the fan, Gene fired his secretary Sylvia. Mitch was there, Mitch Jaffe was there. And he said, what I'm finding in these books makes me sick.

Nobody was comfortable having Mitch there. And Sylvia said, he ain't gonna fire me, we've got too much on him. He knows all about it. Did Gene know about it? Does he know about it? He tried to fix it, but he couldn't seem to make anybody listen, even the people in the bank in Colorado. How much got diverted? Well, some of Dave Overton's checks got diverted. George arranged with her to go to US&P's seminar and returned her check with a money order from the Colorado bank back and a cover letter somehow from Gary Anderson saying, I just don't know how this happened, but this must be yours. That somehow got to, whatever.

And if I can be of any further help, let me know. So Ruby got her money back, Gene got in touch with Ruby, did all of these things, not Gene, uh, Green. Well, I don't know, Gene got in touch with her too. So I probably didn't misspeak. I'm sure the tale was considerably different, according to the purpose. And so, Ruby writes a letter, I have my money back and you guys are banned. And Mr. Green is wonderful and he doesn't owe me anything and all of this. And so Green forever after that would say, ask Ruby Pimentel. his lawyer from his firm is against Rick.

Method and Tips at the same time of the USP case were billing Eckers. the waiver to allow either lawyer to get off the hook. They even charged the Eckers for doing up the waivers. This is incredible. What Rick is finding is you did. Guess how close you came. Guess how close you came. I finally put the screws on it and I said do it, do it now. So well over a year ago, I just wound up Dorma, she just, I probably in this room and all over said I'm going to file tomorrow. And I'll fill in the blanks later, but I have a case and I am going to go file on my own behalf. And Gene said, don't do it that way, that is silly, you really have a case and we have a new lawyer and this is when Brad Elly first came aboard. I had told him to do this sooner than that, maybe a year sooner.

But Gene wanted to run by the causes of action with Brad Elly, so Brad has the case. But he left his law firm and all this, so nothing ever finally gets done. And I keep pushing, do it, do it, do it. And I keep getting what we don't have time today, and there's such a good sport that he continues to send his documents around. So that once you can prove that he has continued to do something, then you can go back for old discovery. But you've got to stop the clock. So, my people are going to learn pro per? I don't think so until that clock runs out, possibly. And I'm going to tell you something that's going to hurt feelings that are going to absolutely be beyond repair, I believe, as far as Jean is concerned.

George Green is telling his lawyers up there and all the bunch from the, the associates from the CLC and USMP, etc. Don't worry. Don't worry guys. You know this man is off his rocker. He lies in every court. He says don't worry. Gene's my guy. He isn't going to dare let them do anything and when Rick filed, he almost died. I am not joshing you. He almost had a heart attack. George Green. Gene Dixon didn't want him to file. George Green almost had a heart attack. George Green. Dixon was just angry because in all fairness to Gene he may have just thought to do it properly later would be a better way to go. But properly later, according to what Rick had to deal with, would have been over about the 1st of February. So, Dormer comes dancing down and says, well man, I'm going to just file and join with Rick. And that'll get an action in. is make them throw Ricks out. Why? Why? Right before Judge Coyle, who heard the USMP case. Well, then comes the other half of it. Well, how can you keep it in that court because of jurisdiction? You see, you have to listen to what the argument was with Rick.

You don't have jurisdiction and limitation of the statute of time has expired. Judge Poyle said, ooh, I don't think so. I look at this with all this slander that was mailed all over and then you get, oh, but that only went to Florida, it didn't go to California. Why would that bother them? Anybody in here besides Rick and EJ and Charles and Al know why that would bother them? And if you don't know why then I suggest you get down and get a movie called The Firm. They mailed these false bills, these overcharges, these double billings, the slender, the segments, they mailed them with a U.S. postal stamp on them all over.

That is federal mail fraud. And if you can't catch the criminal on the bigger of the crimes, just like Al Capone, go for the I.R.S. They have committed male fraud. With their billings, their overcharges, their inner dealings. George has even been working with Stephen Horn on these people's house. Actually it's your people's house, isn't it? well isn't it too bad because now there isn't a vacate notice. I wonder what that's going to do to Mr. Horn's afternoon when he finds it out. I'm sorry maybe there's some questions you'd like to ask. I wanted to ask Dean several points of law. I want to know what are the statutes of limitation and frankly I'm going to ask him what he knows about this. Because this is not accusation time, this is absolutely, he is so busy that he may just not have thought about it because criminal fraud doesn't expire. But you'd have to go to a grand jury, wouldn't you? To bring criminal charges. You don't get much help from the sheriff, do you? I mean they wouldn't even look at $350,000. It's a dirty game. And you people can be stuck in this dirty game as victims or you can learn enough to do it yourself, but it does require you learn. And I really do appreciate the ones of you who hear me, are willing to check it out, and take some action without permission to at least hold this open, and I'm telling you there's some really unhappy people. And they're going to get a lot more unhappy.

And I'm getting concerned about the original documents, quite frankly, and the lost center. Because when you get enemies, sometimes you have fires, sometimes you have all sorts of things happening. And I don't want Gene worried about his existence with us. Gene Dixon is destined to head that law center. The man would like to do something worthwhile. I told him years ago, I said, Gene, they're going to blackmail you. They are really going to blackmail you. And I fully intend to protect you.

And his little boy was there, and he was acting up, and he was being a little smartass, and I said, shape up, kid. Your dad, one day, you will be humbly proud of him. And you have respect. Because the decisions your dad is going to have to make are going to be some of the hardest that any man will ever make. The man got his bar, he would like to get his bar ticket back. He is a trial lawyer, he wants to go to court and do his job. that Scott Pitts can with one phone call shut down any prayer of his ever getting that ticket. And I'm disappointed in Gene in that he wants it so bad. He just wants to go play lawyer gang court.

I think it is a real stigma on a man to have a bar ticket. He has a great contribution that he can make. And therefore you have to sit and say, well you have a real shrewd man here. Wouldn't he know that these statutes of limitations expire? I have to ask you. And I don't have any other way to speak of these things. I want, I don't want to do anything like this without a personal presence. Forgive me, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to even make segments about anything like that. I am not going to because I can see and I know you're going to have to speculate and figure it out.

And you see, I'm going to work continually as if, as if, and you must work as if because you've got to do your own work. My work and my word is not acceptable in the court of law. And Judge Coyle made that very clear. He didn't care who any of these other people were. It was her going to jail. So I could tell you yes or I could tell you no, and if it was the opposite, you would be angry with me later. There's no reason you can't find out all these things. And these are the things that one keeps pushing. Well, you see, commander should have told us. I tried. Not anything about Jean. I tried to get you to do something. But you have all of these reasons not to do something that I ask you to do.

Usually it's because you don't understand or you want somebody else to do it or you have to know all the little details and I cannot tell you all the little details. I may not tell you all the little details. But it is very hard to believe that a man could be in the same office and not know something is wrong. And whether something was wrong or was not wrong or is or is not wrong, how does it look in a court of law while you have others on the witness stand saying you did? How can you say I certainly didn't and I tried every way that I could to recover. Oh did you? Yes I did. I went to the, actually the one who did the most good bringing it to the attention of the Sheriff's Department, I'm sure until they wished that he would not do this, was Mitch. Mitch got so frustrated that I think it was when we lost Mitch.

He was thwarted everywhere he went. Mitch is a detail man. Mitch was going through the books up there, getting stuff ready, shipped down here. So, well, what do all of them have to do? Friends, you know this. You know that George Green at the very seminar where Darryl Keenan questioned George at the break, and we were having a meeting, so Darryl Keenan had left word on the answering machine at home. These are easy to track back to the very day that these statements were made. He called to say he had asked George his questions. George is there a big shot and that George had been speaking on domed housing. Now, people, go back in your brain and then go find the radio program that had Bogart, George Green, Timothy Binder. And George was blabbering about domes, and even Bogart said, I believe we should look into this.

Obviously, he's building this thing in Idaho. And we got a thorough sound thrashing. Needs to be transcribed. There's a lot of information in there. And we were going to bring a suit. Because that was also played on stations in California. Right up here in Delano. Never got done, did it. Never got done. I don't know, maybe you've got some other questions. I want to have a conversation in this room. I'm tired of being the lecturer. the lecture. Is there anything we can do to get it on record?

Well, you certainly need to get it on record before it runs out, don't you? I would think so, yes. Just to get it onto the record. In fact, I believe that you were the manager of the corporation that was dealing with that. So yes indeed. I don't want to go after these people but I am sick to death of myself being blamed for allowing what goes on. that not only was that place in Sacramento beautiful, well done, Corp and Rick went, Bo Brice, after he was here, went up there, had a target shoot with them when they opened, this was a patriotic thing, and the Common Law Service Center, I mean, come on! This man left the pilot connection with part of their employees!

employees. Wayne John and Gary Anderson were doing trusts which later Bo Blythe was pushing as was George Green. Friendship I would love to have Wayne John amongst us because he worked with some people who know about underground greenhouses. On the other hand, he borrowed some personal money from the Institute, but the Common Law Service Center, Gary Anderson and Wayne John for that particular building where they were sharing the building up there in Sacramento, over $90,000. That's a note. Back to the Institute. How can the Institute stay solvent if you can't collect the notes you have out there? And they laugh at you. They will come back and they'll say, well, this is a promissory note. Why isn't it paid? Why hasn't George Green paid?

There's 200 or more right there. You get your 90,000 back from the Common Law Service Center from the ones working with George Green. You're just about home free, aren't you? And that's what the Institute was structured for, to you. Well, George Green went out there and told everybody the Constitutional Law Center so maybe Rick's right, you know. Or Al Belich said at one of his UFO meetings that man, they got away with about five million bucks from that institute. Jordan Green did. True or false? Maybe that's where he got it from, so he could say that's what he heard. It does ring in your brain, doesn't it? And do you see how bad it looks for James? Do you see how bad it looks for James?

So, no, there is no accusation here. This is what they are saying. And Gene has to know it. George Green is sitting back as he does. Ah, we got Gene. He ain't gonna do anything. And when Gene was confronted about working with George, when I have never made any effort whatsoever to keep big secrets about anything. And I told Gene, Oh, George Green said you're working with him, doing tips of all. Well, we find tips was trying to get books released to George Green, and he was paying the bill. For his disservice. service. They also paid Buchanan to represent George Green against them. And he managed to get a default out of arbitration and Gene was there, I don't know how this ever happened, Gene was there to represent the Echres in that arbitration hearing and they never even took a deep breath before they ruled that he had done the work.

Well yes, if you are serving the Greens you certainly were continuing to do the work. And they believe that Mr. Messon should be paid. Well in every county in the state of California are liens levied against anything the Eckers might ever have. And somebody was checking the bank account until it got up high enough that it was worthwhile for them to do this dastardly deed of stripping out everything to the last cent. And then the bank sends a bill for services. It's a nice world, isn't it? Well, I don't think they're going to want all of this heard. And I believe that they calculated that if they could stop George from sending around any more packages, they could kind of suck in quietly. And by the time you nice, innocent, dumb people got into a courtroom, it would be over.

All they'd have to do is write to Judge Coyle and say, statutes of limitations have expired on this, and therefore, your honor, and he would be forced by law to throw it out. The jurisdiction is in the federal court. It's also in the state court. But there's no point in doing something after the horse is out. On the other hand, don't go bury the horse before you're sure it's dead. I can't help you more than to tell you how it looks and that's why I truly wish Gene was here because I wanted him to know how it looks and what is being said. John Coleman is a plethora of information, Rick.

A lot of gold was funneled off through George Green through Puerto Rico and some into Costa Rica, but mostly to someone I believe called Hernandez, if his last name was, in Puerto Rico. Somebody else's turn. You see I get in trouble coming in here and speaking on these things. I'm happy to answer questions. I have to bring up the topics. I realize that. realize that. questions that's why we're saying it here and I appreciate what you're saying if you can't ask it in such a way that you can maintain your own privacy and certainly we don't want to embarrass anybody embarrass anybody. I'm not even here to tell you what action you should take.

You're going to have to hear these things on your own. But I think that there have to be some questions answered and unfortunately I think they're going to have to be answered by Jean because of what is being said and told publicly via that telephone grapevine regarding these things. You see Rick's case was not supposed to have been stopped before it got filed. Stopped, that's all George said. But the inference is that James is man and James was sent down here to live among us and not allow these things to come to fruition. And because James struggled so hard against doing some of them, but you're going to have to remember that there has been a load of work. On the other hand, if a lawyer is in business, doesn't he do a lot of work?

So it leaves it open for the appearance of. It certainly looks like it, doesn't it? and as the man told, see how we fit into this mess we're stuck in. It's a cost of more money than it's worth. John, you don't even know us, and it hasn't cost you anything. Let's talk about John for just a second. I wanted to file an action on John's behalf. action those conservatorships really obviously has sensible that seems like a wonderful case to collect and jurisdiction and the time of it is going to be a huge lapse.

There are many ways, you're right, and there are quite a few ways that we can literally shelter Gene if we act properly. Because you see, if we act first and properly, we can put Gene in a sheltered position how would you do it John well nobody in here is that's what I'm saying we have to comply with the law. Do you agree, brother? Well, Rick's trying, but do you see when you... This is why we've got to get that school started. But you saw that it was painful for Gene.

When we spoke of the school itself, it was painful for Gene. He is buried up to his ears in work. On the other hand, a lot of things, as people get informed, a lot of demands are made. And a lot of, any time you have an informed public, you're not going to have the kind of garbage in Washington that you have. Well, you get some informed citizens according to the law. And they're all going to find a lot of causes of action, many, many causes of action.

And if they learn, they can do it themselves. This would go down really hard if the right things were filed. On the other hand, I believe that there are ways to do it that would protect Gene. On the other hand, he's going to have to make some pretty severe choices. How can he go in if there is an opportunity to testify against one of his best friends? And see, you've got one John in there with seven children, one very retarded child, trying to make a living for his family, and caught up in this by simple association. But now that George has come out with these things about Gene being on his team and Tips being on his team, and seeing these things unfold, you have to face the fact that there's always the possibility, Gene has not said otherwise, that he wasn't senior to do exactly what has happened, that George's advertise has happened.

Commander? Yes. It seems to me that we brought up almost these identical issues a year ago or so and brought them up to Gene and you said almost identically what you said today, what George has been saying. And I don't believe we ever got any kind of response, at least not in this meeting forum did anybody ever get any kind of response from that or is it just silence anybody I'm asking that question I They actually can't they can hear that Gary Anderson is very informed as a person is you know likely the judgment group so that would mean that even if a lawsuit was brought against him and a large judgment was ruled it doesn't necessarily mean this actually see the funds it would indicate good faith on the part of the Institute to be collected from the note and that I think is the point all of this yes because you're not going to get it.

And sometimes the headache isn't worth it. Do you let it go? You see, this green isn't going to let it go. You're going to be caught with your proverbial pants down. The problem in this room, Commander, as I've spoken to people, seems to be a cause of action everyone whenever this issue comes up the losses everyone looks to the right to the left what is my cause of action finding the way that each individual has been personally damaged is the key to the whole commander said we're here after here after here that instant green again I've tried to bring down the Institute. Anyone who has money in the Institute for a corporation, that's a cause of action.

Now whenever these discussions come up with Jean, it immediately is shut down under kind of reverse RICO, because more than one of the RICO defenses is that if more than one corporation or group of entities attacks an individual, that is a RICO action in and of itself ever to protect us Rico whether that is it really valid but I know that shut down yes back to what how have the individuals been damaged well that's a difficult question cause of action and statute of limitations are two very important things to look at they certainly are very important things to look at how much time is taken, but you have to understand the damage done to the Institute.

Where might you be today had none of these negative things taken place? Who is going to come to work with you with Mr. Green's packets going out there and him telling everyone on his seminar circuit what idiots you are? Well, the idiot part does seem to come to me with him continuing to claim that he was not interested in hearing from any energy and he was going to put her pointing to the doormat into jail. And a lot of you were there to hear this. So this is not, this is not tattletale time. This is facts of what was in the room happening. Wouldn't you know that nobody in that room from our side knew what had happened, but obviously there had been a recess that morning while all of this was taking place, and you noticed an extreme change in Judge Coyle.

Think back about it. And then on the way home, you found that Mount Carmel had been burned with all the people in it and wake up. That day, that moment, that you are being accused of being a fallout cult. Competition. Scene stealers. matter is my understanding that the class action is referred to is also working on forget about working through that direction it's not a way I believe that when we're faced with devastated to find out about this but it's coming anyway and the reason I've chosen to bring it up today is because of the things that I see taking place and the action that is...