What does that tell you? It's either a lie or somebody was on that plane and saw it. Now it's perfectly alright to come forth and say to anybody, I just heard this. I did not hear directly from anyone that I know was on board that plane. But what has just been said indicates that somebody was an eyewitness to this. And maybe Mark knows someone that he can call to follow up a line of insider information, certainly some in that new fifth column would be able to do that, certainly some in either faction of the CIA, the one for or against you, could maybe follow this up. to truly, personally evaluate that statement. And even if you have this statement made and now you've got it onto an information line and if people call you, what are you going to say to them, Brent? Say we have no way of verifying it, but we just wanted to share information that comes to us just in case.

Thank you. And thank you for not saying Hatton said. I never do that, something like this, believe me. I know better. Because Hatton did not say. And I would tell you that it's worse than this, better depending on which side you're on. And I can tell you that you can verify some of this, but not this story. It's happening, but you have to be very careful about what is said about Langley. That is a place to take people for some readjustments in their thought processes. And if you have a pretty good spy already, you can either ruin him or change his attitudes, head him off in a different direction, give him a little heart surgery. You have living example in Gunther Russbacher.

Poor Gunther. Anything that he could tell you that happened to him was worse than anything you can conceive. And maybe one's going to see him, and this actually happened. And they said, well, obviously his fingernails could have been removed, surgically. Come on, what difference does it make? If your own government makes you think you're somewhere and they're pulling out your fingernails, they're just as gone, aren't they? And they can trigger you off like that. And you want to know why I get so irate over RaeLynn Rusbacher? Because she doesn't even know it and she's his handler. And she introduced Athelon just close enough to Athon that he thought he had God. And brother, I want to tell you, he's got my opposite.

And I told him so. And he called this energy and we had a nice visit. And I said, you're either going to shape up and get control of this, Gunther, or you're going down. And the first time that he had a seizure the next day, Ray Allen called Avalon in. dealing with Satan, you better face it. And he's going to get there first, because you got to ask for God. You got to want God. And that's what I think of your Langley. It is a heinous place. You better read some more. Mark wanted to share. Prior to this meeting, Rick Martin was kind enough to be able to get in contact with a fellow that his information from various parts of the intelligence community have proven repeatedly to be quite accurate, not 100%.

will pass along this information as close to being verified as I can offer. I prefer to get information verified from three sources unknown to each other that are all operating within the same community. This was not possible at this time, but I'll be happy to work on it, Commander. The information that I received regarding the arrest, there are arrests, but there seems to be a rumor circulating that these arrests are people who are supposedly good guys in the military. This is not true. This is the rumor that is circulating and this is what you're going to hear more about. There have only been a very few arrests and these people were transported not to the places that you've been told, but they were transported to Iliamna and Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska.

That's another story, but they took them there for the same reason I took Kathy up there. There's only one way in and one way out as far as a highway or road goes. It's the most secure place I know of on this planet if you want to hold somebody or if you want to stay safe from the rest of the world. But apparently these people are tied to, some of them are tied to this drug operation and money laundering operation and military operation and this is where it gets really gray and smoky but it would appear that Clinton is going to be re-elected and that he is not taking defeat quietly and that there seems to be a tremendous turmoil going on, not only within our government, but worldwide. These military people that are being arrested are going to continue to be arrested. There's 400 or 500 of them supposedly targeted, and they will be put away safely for whatever purpose. But there is a reason for this and it has something to do with the re-election of Clinton and the defeat of George Bush's operation. Now the word Pegasus has come up. I was amazed when Rick told me this because the Pegasus operation as far as I know has long since been disbanded. The members of it are not necessarily in communication with each other. They're not necessarily cooperating with each other. But it seems as though that this Pegasus name came up out of the story.

It may indeed be true that some of these members were, or some of these people that are being arrested or targeted were members of that particular operation, but I don't think the operation itself is targeted. That's like targeting history. There does seem to be some truth to this rumor though that these people are being arrested and sequestered. But Casper Wyoming, I relate to our former head of defense as being his part-time residence, Dick Cheney. I can only fantasize that he was picked up. But that's really about all that I had time to be able to determine that was real as far as this operation goes.

And it is true that there is something enormous coming down in our government as we speak. I don't think that any of us my age or younger has seen times like this nor will we ever see them again. Over the next few weeks and months I think we are going to see some of the most dramatic changes on this planet that will ever occur. Those of you in this room are free thinkers and you are aware of a lot of the things that are going on. I know people that have been in intelligence for many, many years. Their knowledge is more limited than some of you. They were blinders just like I had them on. You don't know.

It's a need to know, a right to know. You don't really know what's going on unless you get away from it. It looks as though we are going to see some dramatic changes. I'm not saying they are all good. I'm just as concerned as you all are. But the bad guys are fighting one another. That's good news. And I expect to see, I enjoy watching their problems. I certainly don't want to get caught in the middle of them. Thank you.

You want to turn? I guess we'll hear from Kathy a little later. Sure hope so. Well everybody wants to hear and yet sometimes just having to retell the rotten stories may maybe even a bit titillating to an audience. But it's very painful. Every time it's told it's healing, especially when you can tell it when you have nothing but the reflection of love and non-judgment back against you. But sometimes it gets to the point where you need to be able to be at home without having to be on display.

And it's both rewarding to us to have them in our presence. I wish that we could have had Norio out here with his music machine. We need to have some fun. We need to have some whole life in experience. are in the physical world that are flat fine. And you're headed for a robotic world where you can only exist in what you're told and according to your training. And they can train you now through the air, pulse waves. And you must keep your shields about you. Because the moment that you get so discouraged or depressed and you turn away, they're going to gouge you deeper. And yet it's all but impossible to stay up here all the time.

Because life is what is happening to you while you're trying to be up here, above it all. You can't be above it all or beyond it all. You have to be in it as it is and change it according to the way you wish it would be. I wish it were different will not make it different. You have to envision a goal that becomes important enough and worthy enough to achieve. And in every instance you're going to find that those greater goals are never of physical nature. You may need and want and demand.

Did you hear me? Demand. And in the demanding of self, you will create a way to achieve that goal. the mind will find you a conduit. But it means you have to listen. You have to know and experience enough things, enough people. What would it mean if I came even to Dorma or to Kathy or to Mark and I said, I want you to go to Laura Slobovia and get in touch with Joe Blow and he'll be the next step. Well, you may trust me enough that you start trying to seek out something like that, but you know God doesn't work that way.

He's not going to drop a totally unrecognizable element in your lap, for you just hoist and hold and try to make it around, and all the while you're wondering if it's radioactive. It's certainly heavy. And I thought everything from God, you know, like rocks flinging off Mars and landing in your Antarctic, or your Arctic Circle. Come off it. Reason. The age of reason did you end, but not for the right reasons.

You must reason. Everything is either reasonable or unreasonable. It is far more reasonable that God would allow you to fulfill self through something that you have only heard about it, you are far more apt to respond than to Joe Blow in Lower Slobovia. I can say we've got a conduit in Greece, in Athens, in Piraeus. Well Dorma knows that she has all those contacts over there, high contacts over there, never even thought about it as a useful commodity, but the moment I say, ah sweetheart we're going to need a bank account over there, oh okay, do you see how much a difference it is? And then it doesn't even strike you as being a miracle, it doesn't strike you as magic, it doesn't strike you as psychic, oh well Oh, yeah, I know somebody.

Certainly. And we can get in touch. It's been 20 years, but what the hell. You know, I mean, so you pick up the phone and you say, Hey, we have a little contract here for $10 billion. Would you like to deal? Aye, aye, aye. How much did you say? This afternoon or tomorrow, okay? You know, they just killed Papandreou, probably over this.

Mr. Bush was just over here to see Lotses, who's head of the mafia. I guess I'd listen. Sounds like an interesting afternoon. Well, we just happen to know these ones down in South Africa, would you mind running over there and talking to them? I guess you want me to do that this afternoon also. Well, why wait? And of course I'm being silly. But do you see if you are open? open. Your enemy doesn't want you open. Your enemy at this moment does not want you open in either direction. You have an election coming up next Tuesday that's fixed. The computers are fixed. Everything is pre-decided, and it is chaos. I'm not going to tell you it And this is the opportunity for all of this distraction.

And you're steadily going to go down this tube way because you've got to experience some of those things that have been laid on you, or else you're going to say, I'm sick of this. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore, and George Bush does not scare me. He is a jerk, not a wimp. And when they can't scare you anymore, when they cannot interfere with you with this fear, when they've done all they have done to you and couldn't get rid of you. What else is there? You're going to kill me? You hurt me a whole lot worse than that, you bastard. And what you didn't do to me, you did to my child, and to my friends, and to my loved ones. There is nothing evil can do to me. I'm talking as Hatton, I'm talking as Kathy, I'm talking as Dorma, and E.J., and Mark, and Rick, all of you. When you assume your God-created power, there is nothing they can do. Terry stood here and tried to tell you that. When you decide that no matter what they do to you, you just pop right back up.

They don't know what to do with that. They can't touch you. And as long as you do not go fight them with weapons where they have an excuse to turn around and kill you, it gets a little more embarrassing. This is why very frequently we have written enough, strong enough, that one goes, Oh my God, what did you do that for? I did it for your protection. because publicity is the only thing that can protect you. This is not a commune here. So when one says, well, why do you, you know, you go ahead and you write these things? Who's interested in our dirty laundry or our quarrels or our lawsuits? or a lawsuit, the world better get interested. Because we don't have a little group here. We only have truth here and individuals. And if it's happening to one of you here, it's And then, if you're not informed, how can you possibly know anything?

You're going to believe and accept the lie. And just as Mark said, I want three separate confirmations before I even feel comfortable to speak about something. You want me to shower you with information and revelation. This was the big one. This was a George Green. And this was, oh my goodness, this was Leon. This was almost everyone with that narrow perception. He isn't saying anything new. We go because we expected He isn't saying anything new. We go because we expected revelation. You what? Number one, there is nothing new, it's just worse. Satan never has to change his plan. It works every time, in every generation, in every experience. He never has to change. He's cunning. He's swoot. He will take your truth, make it his, and call you the liar. Watch it. Watch it. Pretty soon, the Judeo-Christian religion will be the Jewish-Christian religion.

I'm serious. And it will not even be remotely connected with Christ, which is a state of being. And they have to hide from it. It's a part of the law. Man, human, is birthed knowing right from wrong. So check out what you do in the dark that you don't want your neighbor to see or know. And I'm not talking about privacy out of respect. I'm talking about secret little dealings and thieveries and deceit. And everybody comes up, quote, guilty because there's no man ever that has not experienced those moments of evil. Ooh, that sounds just rotten, Commander.

is any act or intentional perception or intent to pull self or another from their pathway to God. So all men live in sin, all have awful sinners, sin, error, error in rightful judgment. So all are guilty of evil, all are guilty of error. How else are you going to learn? God judges choices. How can you even choose if you do not ever know the choices? Next Tuesday, you're not going to have any choices. So anyone that you go vote for is an error. And certainly bad judgment. The lesser of evils, come off it.

The lesser evil that you put into power becomes the more powerful evil. On the other hand, what are you going to do? You need to do something. We're doing it. We're doing it. And we just keep steadily marching forward, telling. Telling. Telling. My job is to tell. That means your job obviously is to tell and do some of these other things. You cannot change anything until you know what it is that you're doing.

players, but you must know the concept. And all of us then want to get past this garbage and into that higher place of experience. And I wonder if you're not going to have lived on the brink for so long on that razor's edge. I'm talking about you in this room. That when you can get up in the morning and the sun comes up and the flowers smell good and the butterflies are out there, that you won't be bored out of your minds. I'm serious. And that's what we do. And we go into the far reaches and we experience another cycle change and we have to become again the messengers or the teachers.

And I very casually many times call that the mop up crew. We go from place to place, cycle to cycle, mopping up the debris. setting a structure back into a godly direction, a goodly direction, allowing soul to rebirth itself, you've about bred everything decent out of soul essence. And that locks soul beings into infinite turns on the wheel. It's so wonderful when you can stop the wheel and change the direction without destruction of the wheel. But you have to know where in is your stability. And I know it's easy to go to church on Sunday or come over here and listen to me shout and yell. And then well it seems like I'm really you know I'm gung-ho now I can go and I How does Kathy and how does Mark being for all practical purposes a zillion miles from here, how do they hold on to truth?

If I represent truth. Because truth is everywhere. I am just an entity, a being that can be everywhere. I know that you can't understand that. And I know that sometimes there's even a little jealousy, you know, what do you mean you were over there? Well, there's enough of me here, dear, they just keep typing. So there are some distractions. And then the big one. The big one is wrapped up in the big one.

And here we go. Ah, you've got space men. Well, of course you've got space men. On this planet you've got more spaced out men than you do space men. Of course you do. How do we come into knowing? You already know. You just refuse to remember. There's too much insecurity and too much responsibility in facing truth. If you know, that means, uh-oh, I've got to do something, so I'll pretend another day that I don't know.

I don't get it. Confusion. Oh, God, I know that I thought I understood, but I'm not sure. I don't know what he meant. Yes, you do. You just don't know what next step to take. patiently or getting informed the way just lays out there before you. And sometimes that dreadful thought in your mind of having to confront something is erased because it confronts you before you get a chance to avoid it one more time. And then, parents, what do you do with the little ones? They need discipline, they need love, they need teaching. There goes your little reflection. Do you want them to be what you are? What you could be?

What you tell them to be? And can you change what you are? No. You take what is, and you allow them to reflect what it is they need. depending on you to light the rest of their journey. And some of them have to make it on their own, don't they? And when they do, these become the very lights and foundation of mankind. And you say, well, hmm, I don't think I want this responsibility. You've got it. All you can do is avoid it. And in most instances, guys and dolls, you were there if that kid's yours. You've got to place your values in freedom, in truth, in love, and from that foundation goes all the rest of it. And these little kids are back to show you the way home, because you've forgotten your way. And some of them have such a burden to reach out there, step out there and become greater and oh yes Kathy, Kelly will do it. And it will be the greatest gift that anyone energy or entity can give is insight into the rot and allow you people to experience the knowledge that this goes on.

And men call it titillating. Men call it exciting, erotic. It's rot to the core, to the soul. And any time you have anybody, like a George Bush, playing in skull and bones, where they pretend to stab the Christ, that means that is evil taking out good. And when they willingly do that and pledge on their honor, which is non-existent, you will find that it is so non-existent that they will sacrifice anything, anybody, anytime for themselves. This is why they will kill each other. There's no loyalty. There is none. And when it's inconvenient, take them out. And so what about a Bill Clinton? He's nothing. Can't you see? He is nothing!

But a lot of people get deaded, don't they? Well, maybe if we had done a little bit better job, more people would know. How do you make people listen is the next question. Obviously, I don't know. How do you make people listen is the next question. Obviously, I don't know. Or we would have made them listen. I don't want to preach. I want to share. We are the greatest thing in the universe.

I want you to play in the stars. I want you pilots just to be able to handle the skin of a real craft. as air, impenetrable, smooth like a baby's skin. That's what I want to experience, not to talk about the evil of a George Bush that has been allowed to take over a world to the extent that we can't experience these other things. And I don't quit. Well, I'm going to quit. I'm going to quit right now, and we're going to eat pie. I feel it coming on. Cathy has a word, please.

Well, I want Cathy and Mark to speak after we have pie. up so you speak now. I didn't have anything to contribute to the current news revelations that are going on here as everybody is looking for the answers to what really is true, what is going on, what information is being withheld from us, what are the answers. And I know that it's truth that sets us free and we've got to find the truth. The only way that I know to find truth is to find the strength to face it. We have to have that strength first. And the only way to find that strength is to have that soul connection. When people have a soul connection, they have love.

And with love, they're able to deal with the truth and the reality of what's going on in this world. As Mark and I have been traveling all over the country, there have been many people ask the question, well, what can I do? The only people who aren't asking that question are the numerous people out there who do have that soul connection, people who, many of which are contact readers. We have met more contact readers all across this country than are registered, that's for sure. Far more than that. There's so many people that are obviously enlightened by the truth through contact. And when they have those facts, when they have that base of truth, then they have a better strength to deal with reality.

And they react with love. These people know automatically what to do. When people have that soul connection, when they have that love, they know what they can do in their own little areas, in their own walks of life, to positively affect humanity at a time like this. I've also noticed that, as we've been traveling, a lot of people have some really strange belief systems. These people are, you know, supposedly spiritual, or perceive themselves to be spiritual, but it takes a strong knowledge base before they really know what truth is. I think it was well stated by Mark for defining it, and that superstition begins where knowledge leaves off. Without access to knowledge, all of us are left to superstition, from going in any direction, and going in any weird belief systems and directions that are taking us from truth. We've got to have knowledge.

We've got to have the information and the facts in front of us. Contact has been providing facts to people for a long time, getting the information out and reaching far more people than subscribe. And it has strengthened a lot of people to have that added truth. We've got to have that spirituality. We've got to have the deep soul conviction. We've got to have love. We've got to have truth. All those are key components to being able to take back our country and world because these criminals that are in control of our country are extremely intelligent, but they're limited in their thinking by their own immorality.

They don't have any wisdom. They don't have the greatest power of all, of love. They don't have any of that, and that's their downfall. It's inevitable that truth is going to prevail and that the good guys are going to win. The faster we can get the truth out and strengthen people with that kind of knowledge, the better off we're all going to be. And certainly, on a very personal level, the better off Kelly's going to be. Kelly knows truth. She has a much higher truth than the average person on the street. And as she's being told at times that she needs to be normal, she's told me she never wants to be normal because the normal people out there don't have the insight and the wisdom and they don't have the facts, they don't have the knowledge of what's really going on.

And she knows, like I know, that people have got to have the facts in front of them. They've got to have the knowledge and they've got to have the truth before they can be effective in taking back our country and world for her sake, for other mind-control survivors sake, and I don't know whether it's applicable. It certainly is for us. First of all, I want to thank each and every one of you for supporting us. Some of you have gone beyond all earthly bounds in providing us with what we had to have at the moment we had to have it. And now we are over that hump and we are actually prevailing in the courts and a lot of other ways. Of course, we all know that good prevails, but it is a hell of a road getting there.

I have got a philosophy that we might just adapt and it is working for us. These rascals survive and feed on fear. Let's starve the bastards to death. We have nothing, absolutely nothing to fear if we use logic. And if we have any level of discernment that's logical, it appears to me that uh... uh... once uh... we began to deal with this fear factor that they've programs with that uh... they've seemed to just go away